Everything Draft 2021

[planetmars]

My plan for the off season:

- Let Lowry walk. Get about $21M in cap space, assuming Trent's cap hold remains at $2M and not climbs to $5M. Also assumes the 7th pick I believe. I'd prefer this then some bad S&T where we get a crappy contract back.

- Use $12M (3+1 contract) on Holmes. He's got early bird rights with the Kings, so they can only use $8.8M without cap space, otherwise have to create cap space to match that.. easier said then done. Also beats a mid-level contract that other teams can offer.

- Use $9M on a vet wing player to replace Lowry and/or help our bench if Trent starts. Someone like Fournier, Schroder, Lou Williams, Redick. There are options here.

- Bring back Boucher, Bembry, Watson and Harris. Harris had success in the G-league so he's got potential. Bembry and Watson were the two guys that I liked the most off the bench this season (but slim pickings). This means we kick Baynes, McCaw, SJ and Hood out the door.

- Use our room Mid-level (about $5M on a backup center. So someone like Birch, Olynyk (might be too low for him) or Biyombo)

- Bring back Trent for about $15M/year.

Starters: Holmes, Pascal, OG, Redick/Trent, VanVleet
Bench: Boucher, Trent/Redick, FRP, Flynn, Birch, Bembry, Watson, Harris, 2RP via GSW, 2RP via Memphis

That's 15 spots. And should be around $10M below the luxury tax line.

If we can get a stud SG in the draft then can up the offer to Holmes, and get a cheaper depth piece for the bench instead. If we can start that lottery pick even better.

My ultimate goal is to get size in the front court both in the starting unit and on the bench in case of injury. That would avoid derailing a season again. And to use any remaining cap space on a scoring wing player since we're going to have dry spells. We can't got through games where our bench is only putting up 2-4 points a game. That's insanity.

And depending on how we go in the draft we can pivot on what we do with our 2RP's. Generally just want to go BPA.. but, I think we definitely need to get some more size. A guy that can play the PF/SF spot off the bench. Those guys are gold in the new NBA. 6'7 - 6'9 guys that can stretch the floor, dribble the ball, and play defense. Throw them in the G-league and help the 905'ers win another title. Hopefully we get a full G-league season next year. That's how Norm/Fred/Pascal/Boucher earned their stripes.

Looking at tankathon's mock draft.. no idea how good he is but Isaiah Livers is slotted to go below our two 2nd rounders. He's a 6'7 / 230 pound dude. That's the kind of guy that can help you a lot in this new NBA (assuming he can play defense and hit his 3pt shots).

[chris]

I guess the only consideration is that if he's playing as a SG alongside Fred or Kyle, then that is still a relatively small back court. Fred and Kyle are relatively smallish point guards and 6'4 is a bit small for a shooting guard. But of course it isn't as small of a backcourt as Fred and Kyle together.

So we'd still have a smallish backcourt, but I don't think that would be too much of a problem. Suggs could be brought along slowly as a combo guard off the bench if we keep Kyle from the start of the season and plugged in to the starting back court when he's ready and possibly if Kyle leaves or is traded.

average SG size was 6'4.4" and 202 lbs in 2019/2020 according to this site, so i wouldn't say he's all that undersized. he might not get taller but he'll likely fill out a bit as he ages too.

i think he's an ideal backcourt partner for fred, with playmaking ability for himself and others and defensive potential.

it's all a pipe dream anyway though as he's going near the top of the draft

[Primer]

My plan for the off season:

- Let Lowry walk. Get about $21M in cap space, assuming Trent's cap hold remains at $2M and not climbs to $5M. Also assumes the 7th pick I believe. I'd prefer this then some bad S&T where we get a crappy contract back.

- Use $12M (3+1 contract) on Holmes. He's got early bird rights with the Kings, so they can only use $8.8M without cap space, otherwise have to create cap space to match that.. easier said then done. Also beats a mid-level contract that other teams can offer.

- Use $9M on a vet wing player to replace Lowry and/or help our bench if Trent starts. Someone like Fournier, Schroder, Lou Williams, Redick. There are options here.

- Bring back Boucher, Bembry, Watson and Harris. Harris had success in the G-league so he's got potential. Bembry and Watson were the two guys that I liked the most off the bench this season (but slim pickings). This means we kick Baynes, McCaw, SJ and Hood out the door.

- Use our room Mid-level (about $5M on a backup center. So someone like Birch, Olynyk (might be too low for him) or Biyombo)

- Bring back Trent for about $15M/year.

Starters: Holmes, Pascal, OG, Redick/Trent, VanVleet
Bench: Boucher, Trent/Redick, FRP, Flynn, Birch, Bembry, Watson, Harris, 2RP via GSW, 2RP via Memphis

That's 15 spots. And should be around $10M below the luxury tax line.

If we can get a stud SG in the draft then can up the offer to Holmes, and get a cheaper depth piece for the bench instead. If we can start that lottery pick even better.

My ultimate goal is to get size in the front court both in the starting unit and on the bench in case of injury. That would avoid derailing a season again. And to use any remaining cap space on a scoring wing player since we're going to have dry spells. We can't got through games where our bench is only putting up 2-4 points a game. That's insanity.

And depending on how we go in the draft we can pivot on what we do with our 2RP's. Generally just want to go BPA.. but, I think we definitely need to get some more size. A guy that can play the PF/SF spot off the bench. Those guys are gold in the new NBA. 6'7 - 6'9 guys that can stretch the floor, dribble the ball, and play defense. Throw them in the G-league and help the 905'ers win another title. Hopefully we get a full G-league season next year. That's how Norm/Fred/Pascal/Boucher earned their stripes.

Looking at tankathon's mock draft.. no idea how good he is but Isaiah Livers is slotted to go below our two 2nd rounders. He's a 6'7 / 230 pound dude. That's the kind of guy that can help you a lot in this new NBA (assuming he can play defense and hit his 3pt shots).

Holmes at only $12M would be a steal. I bet he goes much closer to $20M per. He's the best realistically available C (not restricted), not just for us, but the entire NBA. He's gonna get overpaid due to the dearth of C in this free agent class. I'm not sure why Sacramento would let him walk in the first place, they don't have another competent C on the roster to replace him.

[magoon]

I like Barnes but not as much as Ziaire/Keon/Bouknight/Moody.

Ziaire is good at a lot of things but he's not really elite at anything, which is why he's projected to go in the mid-teens in most mocks. Keon is a worse shooter than Scottie (which says something), not quite as good a defender or playmaker, and he's shorter than Scottie to boot (but I will grant that he looks like he can be come a go-to bucket in the NBA). Bouknight is a decent shooter and scorer, but an inconsistent defender at best. Moody looks to have a high floor (good!) but I don't see him becoming a primary scoring option; he'd be another complementary piece on a team that has plenty of them already.

[planetmars]

Holmes at only $12M would be a steal. I bet he goes much closer to $20M per. He's the best realistically available C (not restricted), not just for us, but the entire NBA. He's gonna get overpaid due to the dearth of C in this free agent class. I'm not sure why Sacramento would let him walk in the first place, they don't have another competent C on the roster to replace him.

Who has cap space, and of those teams who needs a center? I know we do.

Sacramento has to create cap room to sign Holmes.. they can't afford $20M unless they trade someone like Hield or Barnes and get much less back. They are going into next season capped out. They only have his early bird rights not his full bird rights.. meaning they can only bring him back for under $9M without cap space.

We can snatch Holmes from them because they don't know what they are doing.

[planetmars]

Kings also get a full mid-level.. that's why I'm suggesting $12M.. since a mid-level is just under $10M. But could go up to $13 or 14M. I don't think centers get paid that well. Look at Harrell and Ibaka last season.

[Primer]

Who has cap space, and of those teams who needs a center? I know we do.

Sacramento has to create cap room to sign Holmes.. they can't afford $20M unless they trade someone like Hield or Barnes and get much less back. They are going into next season capped out. They only have his early bird rights not his full bird rights.. meaning they can only bring him back for under $9M without cap space.

We can snatch Holmes from them because they don't know what they are doing.

There are 15 teams who without trades can clear more than $12M to sign Holmes, including us. So quite a big market still. Most of them could use an upgrade at C.

I don't think Holmes will be able to be had on the cheap.

[The Claw Reborn]

My plan for the off season:

- Let Lowry walk. Get about $21M in cap space, assuming Trent's cap hold remains at $2M and not climbs to $5M. Also assumes the 7th pick I believe. I'd prefer this then some bad S&T where we get a crappy contract back.

- Use $12M (3+1 contract) on Holmes. He's got early bird rights with the Kings, so they can only use $8.8M without cap space, otherwise have to create cap space to match that.. easier said then done. Also beats a mid-level contract that other teams can offer.

- Use $9M on a vet wing player to replace Lowry and/or help our bench if Trent starts. Someone like Fournier, Schroder, Lou Williams, Redick. There are options here.

- Bring back Boucher, Bembry, Watson and Harris. Harris had success in the G-league so he's got potential. Bembry and Watson were the two guys that I liked the most off the bench this season (but slim pickings). This means we kick Baynes, McCaw, SJ and Hood out the door.

- Use our room Mid-level (about $5M on a backup center. So someone like Birch, Olynyk (might be too low for him) or Biyombo)

- Bring back Trent for about $15M/year.

Starters: Holmes, Pascal, OG, Redick/Trent, VanVleet
Bench: Boucher, Trent/Redick, FRP, Flynn, Birch, Bembry, Watson, Harris, 2RP via GSW, 2RP via Memphis

That's 15 spots. And should be around $10M below the luxury tax line.

If we can get a stud SG in the draft then can up the offer to Holmes, and get a cheaper depth piece for the bench instead. If we can start that lottery pick even better.

My ultimate goal is to get size in the front court both in the starting unit and on the bench in case of injury. That would avoid derailing a season again. And to use any remaining cap space on a scoring wing player since we're going to have dry spells. We can't got through games where our bench is only putting up 2-4 points a game. That's insanity.

And depending on how we go in the draft we can pivot on what we do with our 2RP's. Generally just want to go BPA.. but, I think we definitely need to get some more size. A guy that can play the PF/SF spot off the bench. Those guys are gold in the new NBA. 6'7 - 6'9 guys that can stretch the floor, dribble the ball, and play defense. Throw them in the G-league and help the 905'ers win another title. Hopefully we get a full G-league season next year. That's how Norm/Fred/Pascal/Boucher earned their stripes.

Looking at tankathon's mock draft.. no idea how good he is but Isaiah Livers is slotted to go below our two 2nd rounders. He's a 6'7 / 230 pound dude. That's the kind of guy that can help you a lot in this new NBA (assuming he can play defense and hit his 3pt shots).

Here is mine Mr. Mars Bar

trade Van Vleet/ Boucher/ 2SRP for Sabonis and Brogdon

trade Siakam for KAT

Sign GTJ for 15 million

Sign JJ Redick for MLE

use the 2021 FRP for a wing project needing development

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Sabonis
KAT
OG
GTJ
Brogdon

bench: JJ Redick (6th man), Flynn, 2021 FRP project

Retain: Bembry, Watson
Obtain a couple more vets to round out the bench using the remaining cap space

[TrueTorontoFan]

My plan for the off season:

- Let Lowry walk. Get about $21M in cap space, assuming Trent's cap hold remains at $2M and not climbs to $5M. Also assumes the 7th pick I believe. I'd prefer this then some bad S&T where we get a crappy contract back.

- Use $12M (3+1 contract) on Holmes. He's got early bird rights with the Kings, so they can only use $8.8M without cap space, otherwise have to create cap space to match that.. easier said then done. Also beats a mid-level contract that other teams can offer.

- Use $9M on a vet wing player to replace Lowry and/or help our bench if Trent starts. Someone like Fournier, Schroder, Lou Williams, Redick. There are options here.

- Bring back Boucher, Bembry, Watson and Harris. Harris had success in the G-league so he's got potential. Bembry and Watson were the two guys that I liked the most off the bench this season (but slim pickings). This means we kick Baynes, McCaw, SJ and Hood out the door.

- Use our room Mid-level (about $5M on a backup center. So someone like Birch, Olynyk (might be too low for him) or Biyombo)

- Bring back Trent for about $15M/year.

Starters: Holmes, Pascal, OG, Redick/Trent, VanVleet
Bench: Boucher, Trent/Redick, FRP, Flynn, Birch, Bembry, Watson, Harris, 2RP via GSW, 2RP via Memphis

That's 15 spots. And should be around $10M below the luxury tax line.

If we can get a stud SG in the draft then can up the offer to Holmes, and get a cheaper depth piece for the bench instead. If we can start that lottery pick even better.

My ultimate goal is to get size in the front court both in the starting unit and on the bench in case of injury. That would avoid derailing a season again. And to use any remaining cap space on a scoring wing player since we're going to have dry spells. We can't got through games where our bench is only putting up 2-4 points a game. That's insanity.

And depending on how we go in the draft we can pivot on what we do with our 2RP's. Generally just want to go BPA.. but, I think we definitely need to get some more size. A guy that can play the PF/SF spot off the bench. Those guys are gold in the new NBA. 6'7 - 6'9 guys that can stretch the floor, dribble the ball, and play defense. Throw them in the G-league and help the 905'ers win another title. Hopefully we get a full G-league season next year. That's how Norm/Fred/Pascal/Boucher earned their stripes.

Looking at tankathon's mock draft.. no idea how good he is but Isaiah Livers is slotted to go below our two 2nd rounders. He's a 6'7 / 230 pound dude. That's the kind of guy that can help you a lot in this new NBA (assuming he can play defense and hit his 3pt shots).

no yuta?

[TrueTorontoFan]

My plan for the off season:

- Let Lowry walk. Get about $21M in cap space, assuming Trent's cap hold remains at $2M and not climbs to $5M. Also assumes the 7th pick I believe. I'd prefer this then some bad S&T where we get a crappy contract back.

- Use $12M (3+1 contract) on Holmes. He's got early bird rights with the Kings, so they can only use $8.8M without cap space, otherwise have to create cap space to match that.. easier said then done. Also beats a mid-level contract that other teams can offer.

- Use $9M on a vet wing player to replace Lowry and/or help our bench if Trent starts. Someone like Fournier, Schroder, Lou Williams, Redick. There are options here.

- Bring back Boucher, Bembry, Watson and Harris. Harris had success in the G-league so he's got potential. Bembry and Watson were the two guys that I liked the most off the bench this season (but slim pickings). This means we kick Baynes, McCaw, SJ and Hood out the door.

- Use our room Mid-level (about $5M on a backup center. So someone like Birch, Olynyk (might be too low for him) or Biyombo)

- Bring back Trent for about $15M/year.

Starters: Holmes, Pascal, OG, Redick/Trent, VanVleet
Bench: Boucher, Trent/Redick, FRP, Flynn, Birch, Bembry, Watson, Harris, 2RP via GSW, 2RP via Memphis

That's 15 spots. And should be around $10M below the luxury tax line.

If we can get a stud SG in the draft then can up the offer to Holmes, and get a cheaper depth piece for the bench instead. If we can start that lottery pick even better.

My ultimate goal is to get size in the front court both in the starting unit and on the bench in case of injury. That would avoid derailing a season again. And to use any remaining cap space on a scoring wing player since we're going to have dry spells. We can't got through games where our bench is only putting up 2-4 points a game. That's insanity.

And depending on how we go in the draft we can pivot on what we do with our 2RP's. Generally just want to go BPA.. but, I think we definitely need to get some more size. A guy that can play the PF/SF spot off the bench. Those guys are gold in the new NBA. 6'7 - 6'9 guys that can stretch the floor, dribble the ball, and play defense. Throw them in the G-league and help the 905'ers win another title. Hopefully we get a full G-league season next year. That's how Norm/Fred/Pascal/Boucher earned their stripes.

Looking at tankathon's mock draft.. no idea how good he is but Isaiah Livers is slotted to go below our two 2nd rounders. He's a 6'7 / 230 pound dude. That's the kind of guy that can help you a lot in this new NBA (assuming he can play defense and hit his 3pt shots).

As for best player available.. assuming we stick around the same position which I think is likely. I dont want to take a reach. You get a guy like either Scottie Barnes and develop him or get one of the other scoring wings. UNLESS you some how bounce all the way up to the top spots and are able to get Mobley. That changes the entire calculus of the off season.

I'd still opt for Mobley over Cade. That said Cade is potentially exactly what we need. He is big enough to basically play point forward on offense lebron style.

[planetmars]

There are 15 teams who without trades can clear more than $12M to sign Holmes, including us. So quite a big market still. Most of them could use an upgrade at C.

I don't think Holmes will be able to be had on the cheap.

Yeah I should have looked it up. So these are the teams with enough practical cap space to get at least $15M in free agency:

NY
OKC
San Antonio
Toronto
Charlotte
Miami
Memphis
Dallas
Chicago
Detroit
Cleveland
New Orleans
Houston
Atlanta
Orlando

We can knock a lot of teams off this list. NY (Robinson), OKC (Brown), San Antonio (Poeltl), Miami (Bam), Memphis (JV), Dallas (Porzingis/Powell), Chicago (Vucevic), Detroit (Plumlee/Stewart), Cleveland (Allen), New Orleans (Adams), Houston (Wood), Atlanta (Capela), Orlando (WCJ/Bamba).

Some tanking teams might take the plunge like Houston who is playing Wood out of position or NY who is using Noel a lot and will be a UFA as well.

Either way that leaves: Charlotte.

I think they are the one team to really worry about. Holmes would fit that line up really well.

But looking at their cap situation more closely.. if they renounce both Zeller and Biyombo, they will still be over the cap. That's because Malik Monk has a $16M cap hold (PJ Washington has a $4.2M cap hold as well). I don't think they will release Monk just to get Holmes. Monk has been important to them.

Honestly.. the more I look at this, I really do think we can get Holmes. Of course that assumes he wants to go to a place that can pay him more than some other place. NY and Houston are dark horses. I'm a little worried about those two teams. Especially NY since they have so much cap space to make a splash. But I hope they spend their money on someone like DeRozan instead.

I'm willing to go up to $15M for Holmes. I still think $20M is too much. But we'll see. I'm not even sure if management wants Holmes. I was looking up who his player agent is.. and it's some guy in Europe. That agency only has clients who play sport in Europe. Holmes is their only NA client. I'm not sure if that means anything or not.. but I just found that interesting.

[planetmars]

As for best player available.. assuming we stick around the same position which I think is likely. I dont want to take a reach. You get a guy like either Scottie Barnes and develop him or get one of the other scoring wings. UNLESS you some how bounce all the way up to the top spots and are able to get Mobley. That changes the entire calculus of the off season.

I'd still opt for Mobley over Cade. That said Cade is potentially exactly what we need. He is big enough to basically play point forward on offense lebron style.

Do you mean you would opt for Cade over Mobley? I've only seen a handful of Mobley games.. and I'm not too impressed. Of the guys I've seen play I would take Cade and Suggs over Mobley. I heard Jalen Green was good too but will have to watch a game of his.

I don't know anything about Scottie Barnes. Will watch some footage when I get a chance. I heard he's like a Batum type player.

I do believe in drafting BPA. Especially when you are getting a good lottery pick. Can't fumble this one up. Get the best talent available and adjust the roster afterwards.

[LJ2]

Do you mean you would opt for Cade over Mobley? I've only seen a handful of Mobley games.. and I'm not too impressed. Of the guys I've seen play I would take Cade and Suggs over Mobley. I heard Jalen Green was good too but will have to watch a game of his.

I don't know anything about Scottie Barnes. Will watch some footage when I get a chance. I heard he's like a Batum type player.

I do believe in drafting BPA. Especially when you are getting a good lottery pick. Can't fumble this one up. Get the best talent available and adjust the roster afterwards.

Massi is gonna Massi and pick someone nobody expects to go at that spot

[magoon]

Massi is gonna Massi and pick someone nobody expects to go at that spot

Not likely. Masai actually doesn't pick unknowns that often - basically it's been Bruno and Pascal, and Pascal wasn't really an unknown, just more widely projected to go in the thirties-to-forties. Delon Wright, Norm and Jakob Poeltl were all commonly projected to go within 2-3 slots of where Masai drafted them, and OG wasn't but that was because he fell about five to ten spots due to his injury and Masai snapped him up. Malachi was projected to go anywhere from 26th to 40th, in that fluid area where first-rounders and seconds blur together.

Masai and Bobby have their own preferences for players which diverge a bit from NBA norms - they definitely favour BBIQ, character and defense more than scoring as compared to most NBA front offices, for example. But once you account for that, they usually end up drafting whoever they think is BPA, which is usually pretty close to the consensus.

With this draft, as usual there are tiers of players. The question is which players are in what tiers. Some GMs think Cade is a tier unto himself; others think the top tier is Cade and Mobley; others think it's Cade, Mobley, Suggs and Green; and finally some think one or two of Barnes, Kuminga, and Keon are in the top tier along with the first four.

If Masai and Bobby get a high pick and know there's a difference between their BPA and other teams' BPA I could see them pulling a Boston-in-2017 and trading down for assets. "Oh, you really want Cade, huh? Well, we'll trade down to #3 if you give us X and I guess we'll take Jalen Green." That would be a very Masai move.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I think we could feel comfortable with CADE.... the only time masai takes a swing for a reach is when we have a later pick like in the 20's....

We got lucky with OG honestly. I was hoping he would fall to us and he did.

We have a few seconds so the second picks will be interesting... unless we package them for a higher pick.. which I could see happening.

I can see us trading down if we are outside the top 8 and trading back to the mid teens. That said if we are in that top "5/6" then you just pick best dude available before you get the next tier. I'd opt for Cade because I really think without lowry we need a play maker on the floor. Whether the guy is playing in the starting line up in his first year or not he will have an impact. I would likely play him off the bench for half the year until he proves to be good enough. He would lift who ever is on the bench... similar to how Marc used to lift bench units and serge. The guy can get his own shot. He is a fluid athlete. Not elite but fluid. He doesn't have any weird injury or behavioral issues. He is tall (6'8) yet he can play point guard or shooting guard. So yeah. I think he helps ease the offensive burden instantly from everyone else. Mobley would be decent but he will take a while to develop into a GOOD player. That said, if we drafted mobley, then we would instantly have someone who would be able to solve ALL problems on the current team. I think that it could work, BUT again Cade could be really good.