Everything Draft 2021

[RaptorsVictim]

Well Barnes is the complete opposite of Bargnani, for one he is reportedly a gym rat.

I did not say Barnes reminds me of Bargnani, I said the pick reminds me of Bargnani. We put tons of hope on it, and then It did not work out. I believe you must draft the best available players. It has proved it right in most of the cases.

[Bendit]

Jay Bilas on the Barnes pick today ...


https://player.fm/series/overdrive-1...on-jalen-suggs

[bertarapsfan]

Everyone keeps talking about this Suggs guy, so I asked around “is he a raptor?” They said no and I said “so he is food then”

reminder to everyone it’s time to get focused anyone not a raptor is a enemy of the republic!

no one should be cheering when he comes here he is just like everyone else move or be moved

It's crazy how I woke up Thursday thinking. "I hope this Suggs kids a HOF". Went to bed thinking "this kid better be a complete bust. The ebbs and flow of Fandom

[TrueTorontoFan]

I did not say Barnes reminds me of Bargnani, I said the pick reminds me of Bargnani. We put tons of hope on it, and then It did not work out. I believe you must draft the best available players. It has proved it right in most of the cases.

i think we jstu gotta see what happens.

[Kagemusha]

I did not say Barnes reminds me of Bargnani, I said the pick reminds me of Bargnani. We put tons of hope on it, and then It did not work out. I believe you must draft the best available players. It has proved it right in most of the cases.

Why did you say this Barnes pick 'did not work out'?
The consensus is that Barnes has the highest upside in this class,
no one said that about Bargs.

[Puffer]

Barnes was the consensus 5th or 6th pick. Many boards had him in the top 5, some even in the top 3. What is all the reaction about. Since when did "consensus" ever mean anything? The fact that a bunch of people agreed to something that was wrong doesn't give it more legitimacy. Avoid fats, and eat more carbs? Wrong. Ulcers are caused by worry or the food you eat. Wrong. Fats are bad. Wrong. Weight training will make you slow and lumbering. Wrong. The continents don't float around. Wrong. If everybody agrees with something, be on your high alert.

[TheWaterboy]

Barnes was the consensus 5th or 6th pick. Many boards had him in the top 5, some even in the top 3. What is all the reaction about. Since when did "consensus" ever mean anything? The fact that a bunch of people agreed to something that was wrong doesn't give it more legitimacy. Avoid fats, and eat more carbs? Wrong. Ulcers are caused by worry or the food you eat. Wrong. Fats are bad. Wrong. Weight training will make you slow and lumbering. Wrong. The continents don't float around. Wrong. If everybody agrees with something, be on your high alert.

I, and undoubtedly everybody else, agree with this.

[Primer]

Normally I don’t really criticize picks cause I don’t know any of these players but this has a Marvin Williams over Chris Paul type feel to me. Hope I am wrong.

I was thinking that for a second then I checked out Marvin Williams college stats. He played the same minutes as Barnes and here are his stats:

11.3 pts
6.6 reb
0.7 ast

I was a huge Hawks fan at the time because I lived in Atlanta and Williams was far more raw and a project. He had zero handles, can't pass, can't bring the ball up the court. He had some great dunks and seemed to be a promising shooter. His defense was nothing to write home about.

The thought was Williams would turn into a dominant scorer, but that never happened.

Barnes brings a lot more NBA ready skills to the game than Williams ever did, and he's a much better athlete in my opinion.

When we list what Raptors look for in players Suggs has all those traits as well except freaky wing span.

I still think Suggs will have a better career than Barnes and we should have picked him, but I no longer think Barnes will be a bust like Williams was.

Fingers crossed this feels more like the Hawks taking Trae over Luka where you'd prefer to have Luka now but you're really not upset with having Trae because he's also really freaking good.

[Kagemusha]

Barnes was the consensus 5th or 6th pick. Many boards had him in the top 5, some even in the top 3. What is all the reaction about. Since when did "consensus" ever mean anything? The fact that a bunch of people agreed to something that was wrong doesn't give it more legitimacy. Avoid fats, and eat more carbs? Wrong. Ulcers are caused by worry or the food you eat. Wrong. Fats are bad. Wrong. Weight training will make you slow and lumbering. Wrong. The continents don't float around. Wrong. If everybody agrees with something, be on your high alert.

Context bro

[TrueTorontoFan]

Barnes was the consensus 5th or 6th pick. Many boards had him in the top 5, some even in the top 3. What is all the reaction about. Since when did "consensus" ever mean anything? The fact that a bunch of people agreed to something that was wrong doesn't give it more legitimacy. Avoid fats, and eat more carbs? Wrong. Ulcers are caused by worry or the food you eat. Wrong. Fats are bad. Wrong. Weight training will make you slow and lumbering. Wrong. The continents don't float around. Wrong. If everybody agrees with something, be on your high alert.

yeah no its definitely not some sort of Bruno pick... Even Siakam was a was a reach he was mocked in the 30's this isn't a huge huge reach its just saying I like the next guy. The raptors hinted at it by saying guys exist in tiers and if they traded back they didn't want to lose their tier. They saw suggs as a being in the same tier as Barnes but looking 3 years out where they both improved you bet on the guy with more athletic ability. He is bigger and stronger. He is basically 225 coming in day one as a beast.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I was thinking that for a second then I checked out Marvin Williams college stats. He played the same minutes as Barnes and here are his stats:

11.3 pts
6.6 reb
0.7 ast

I was a huge Hawks fan at the time because I lived in Atlanta and Williams was far more raw and a project. He had zero handles, can't pass, can't bring the ball up the court. He had some great dunks and seemed to be a promising shooter. His defense was nothing to write home about.

The thought was Williams would turn into a dominant scorer, but that never happened.

Barnes brings a lot more NBA ready skills to the game than Williams ever did, and he's a much better athlete in my opinion.

When we list what Raptors look for in players Suggs has all those traits as well except freaky wing span.

I still think Suggs will have a better career than Barnes and we should have picked him, but I no longer think Barnes will be a bust like Williams was.

Fingers crossed this feels more like the Hawks taking Trae over Luka where you'd prefer to have Luka now but you're really not upset with having Trae because he's also really freaking good.

I think Suggs will have a good career but that was never the question. You wanted a star not a guy to be OK for a long time. I wanted Suggs over Barnes but I didn't want Suggs.. if that makes sense. Now thinking about it.. Barnes isn't that raw. He isn't like Kuminga where even on the BBIQ aspect it will take him for ever to just not make simple mistakes. Scottie is a very smart player first and foremost.

[saints91]

It's what most teams are looking for as well, SF's that have length and play both ways.

The reports of Suggs having a bad workout could be more than shooting as well. Bobby and Nurse both raved about Barnes' personality, it's a possibility that the conversations with Suggs didn't impress either. All speculation on my on my part. I don't think one or two bad workouts from a kid would completely sway the pick, but I could see bad interviews and the other psych.evaluations etc. would. Tolzman said the interviews meant more this year because they couldn't see how these kids acted on the bench or in timeouts due to the pandemic.

[A.I]

It's what most teams are looking for as well, SF's that have length and play both ways.

The reports of Suggs having a bad workout could be more than shooting as well. Bobby and Nurse both raved about Barnes' personality, it's a possibility that the conversations with Suggs didn't impress either. All speculation on my on my part. I don't think one or two bad workouts from a kid would completely sway the pick, but I could see bad interviews and the other psych.evaluations etc. would. Tolzman said the interviews meant more this year because they couldn't see how these kids acted on the bench or in timeouts due to the pandemic.

This is pretty much it and why its funny when fanbases freak out. All we do for the most part are watch highlights and base our opinion around that. Front offices meet these rookies in person, see their skills, conduct an interview, gets to know them as people and then make their choice.

I do think Suggs will be a good player, but I think Barnes has one of the highest ceilings in the draft, and if the Raptors think he'll be a good fit based on his playstyle, his personality, his attitude towards getting better and how he'll fit in with the other players, I see no issues. Of course front offices can still make the wrong pick, but thats to be determined.

[Shredder]

I think Suggs will have a good career but that was never the question. You wanted a star not a guy to be OK for a long time. I wanted Suggs over Barnes but I didn't want Suggs.. if that makes sense. Now thinking about it.. Barnes isn't that raw. He isn't like Kuminga where even on the BBIQ aspect it will take him for ever to just not make simple mistakes. Scottie is a very smart player first and foremost.

Ya I wanted Green, Mobley and Suggs in that order. I would salivate to hear Suggs get compared to Brandon Roy, and to see his big shots and plays in the Tourney. But when I would hear the comparisons to Jrue, I would second guess the infatuation. Not that Jrue is a bad player, he just won a championship. Jrue alone though, isn't coming to our team and winning a championship.

I will admit I didn't look too much into Barnes, hearing he didn't have a jump shot. First thing I thought of was Fultz and I wanted nothing to do with that. Now hearing that his later season FT% was over the mid 70's, he is a much more appealing prospect. With his skillset and size, adding a respectable jump shot he does compare to Magic. That's a crazy comparison and if he is even a Magic light we got ourself another pick.

He will be a phenomenal defensive player. The thought of him playing beside OG is a scary notion for opposing teams. We need offence still, but I don't think Suggs was our saviour there (Green would have been, but that wasn't going to happen). If Barnes can hit 30 40 75/80 this year, he's still below average but trending in the right direction. If in 3 years he's 35 50 85, then I totally see where Masai and Bobby were coming from. If he's hitting those percentages with a pull up game, playing the point, crashing the boards, posting a few triple doubles and still being a defensive force, he could be the best complete player in the draft.

[SkywalkerAC]

Suggs and Barnes both figure to be impact/rotation rookies, even if a starting guard is going to have a much bigger opportunity to shine than a bench big. But in terms of winning impact, given that Suggs would have us sticking with a smaller backcourt, it might not be so different.