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  • The Great One wrote: View Post

    Sometimes it works(Giannis), sometimes it doesn't(Bruno). Kuminga is a little bit of both. He's raw like Bruno but he's a freak athlete like Giannis and he's also got some skills. I'd love to have him on the team. He's probably got the highest upside in this draft along with Green. I don't think he slips past 5 though. Of course there's always a chance some team drafts someone who's lower on most experts mocks like last year when the Bulls took Pat Williams 4th overall(the right pick), so I guess we'll see.
    I expect an ultra patient team like OKC to pick him.

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    • Unless we move up, I think it's starting to look like we'll be left one or two of Barnes, Jalen Johnson, and Keon Johnson to pick from - the next three "highest potential" but each with some question marks. Will be interesting to see if Masai/Webster like that direction or go a different one.

      If we're at #8 and Jalen Johnson is there and Barnes and Keon are gone 6 and 7...what do you do?

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      • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
        Unless we move up, I think it's starting to look like we'll be left one or two of Barnes, Jalen Johnson, and Keon Johnson to pick from - the next three "highest potential" but each with some question marks. Will be interesting to see if Masai/Webster like that direction or go a different one.

        If we're at #8 and Jalen Johnson is there and Barnes and Keon are gone 6 and 7...what do you do?
        I trust Masai and Bobby but Jalen Johnson has so many red flags. I say pass. Also not sure about Barnes, he's a point forward, do we really need another one? we already have Siakam.

        I like Keon, Moody and Mitchell(in that order). I also like Springer but not sure if they have the balls to draft him 7th overall.
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        • The Great One wrote: View Post

          I trust Masai and Bobby but Jalen Johnson has so many red flags. I say pass. Also not sure about Barnes, he's a point forward, do we really need another one? we already have Siakam.
          Given that we don't have a real backup for Pascal, yeah we kinda do. Plus I'd say that athletic point-forward is exactly the kind of prospect teams should stock up on in the modern NBA because you can play them together - 3/4/5, or even 2/3/4 - and they just help oil the offensive machine while giving you size on D.

          We turn people over and fly all over the court in transition - Barnes and J-Johnson fit the bill pretty darn well.
          Last edited by SkywalkerAC; Mon May 10, 2021, 02:30 PM.

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          • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post

            Given that we don't have a real backup for Pascal, yeah we kinda do. Plus I'd say that athletic point-forward is exactly the kind of prospect teams should stock up on in the modern NBA because you can play them together - 3/4/5, or even 2/3/4 - and they just help oil the offensive machine while giving you size on D.

            We turn people over and fly all over the court in transition - Barnes and J-Johnson fit the bill pretty darn well.
            1. Barnes is not really athletic. He moves a lot like OG - very awkward.

            2. If you're drafting in the top 10 you better draft a starter and not a backup.

            3. The Raptors don't have a starting caliber 2 guard. There's a lot of them in this draft.
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            • The Great One wrote: View Post
              3. The Raptors don't have a starting caliber 2 guard. There's a lot of them in this draft.
              Literally the entire point of trading for GTJ was that they consider him a starting caliber 2 guard.

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              • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
                Unless we move up, I think it's starting to look like we'll be left one or two of Barnes, Jalen Johnson, and Keon Johnson to pick from - the next three "highest potential" but each with some question marks. Will be interesting to see if Masai/Webster like that direction or go a different one.

                If we're at #8 and Jalen Johnson is there and Barnes and Keon are gone 6 and 7...what do you do?
                I mean based on mock drafts from media guys sure those are the guys Raps might be choosing between. Raps are going to have their own list of BPA and I wouldn't be surprised if any of those guys don't make the list.

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                • magoon wrote: View Post

                  Literally the entire point of trading for GTJ was that they consider him a starting caliber 2 guard.
                  I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, but its pretty clear we don't have a 1A type of guy. Where do you slot him on the starting line up if not at SG? They are very likely not trading FVV with Lowry leaving, they are investing a lot of games into Pascal becoming more comfortable with the ball in his hands and OG is our best defender. Really doubt we get our 1A in the form of a C so that leaves the SG spot. Dilema, dilema...

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                  • magoon wrote: View Post

                    Literally the entire point of trading for GTJ was that they consider him a starting caliber 2 guard.
                    How do you know that? maybe they think of him more as a 6th man. You don't know. All I know is he plays like a 6th man.
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                    • Yeah a SG that can create for himself is not bad.. it's what we kind of dream of when we think of a Beal trade or LaVine trade. Beal wasn't a great shooter in college either, so Keon Johnson has potential.

                      James Bouknight is another potential guard we could look at. He might be a reach in the 7-10 range, but he could be the best shooting guard from this draft.

                      He scores in a variety of different ways. Here is a video of him scoring 40:

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                      • planetmars wrote: View Post
                        Yeah a SG that can create for himself is not bad.. it's what we kind of dream of when we think of a Beal trade or LaVine trade. Beal wasn't a great shooter in college either, so Keon Johnson has potential.

                        James Bouknight is another potential guard we could look at. He might be a reach in the 7-10 range, but he could be the best shooting guard from this draft.

                        He scores in a variety of different ways. Here is a video of him scoring 40:
                        The other thing is that rising young, scoring SGs are probably overvalued in trades if/when a superstar shakes loose. When the Harden trade rumors started, there was a deal mentioned in which the Rockets were apparently interested in Tyler Herro, but the Heat didn't want to include him in trade talks. All hearsay, but the point is that 2-way players aren't necessarily valued as high when these situations happen. It's easier to sell a young, dynamic scorer and PPG to the fanbase when you lose your own superstar.

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                        • A.I wrote: View Post

                          I don't think any of those 3 were BPA at 5th though. Klay was picked 11th, Kawhi at 15th and Jimmy at 30th. Obviously looking back now it was a mistake, but at the time of the draft, taking any of those 3 at 5th would have been a reach.
                          We supposedly really liked Kawhi that year and he would have been the pick if JV was gone already. The game was different then and C were prized possessions. Now it's hard to justify a C near the top of the draft.

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                          • A.I wrote: View Post

                            I don't think any of those 3 were BPA at 5th though. Klay was picked 11th, Kawhi at 15th and Jimmy at 30th. Obviously looking back now it was a mistake, but at the time of the draft, taking any of those 3 at 5th would have been a reach.
                            Yeah, the whole concept that there's some sort of 'consensus BPA list' sounds great in theory, but has been proven to be severely lacking, in actual practice.

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                            • The Great One wrote: View Post

                              1. Barnes is not really athletic. He moves a lot like OG - very awkward.
                              OG's a great athlete. So is Barnes. Almost ideal athleticism for the PF position.

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                              • The Great One wrote: View Post

                                3. The Raptors don't have a starting caliber 2 guard. There's a lot of them in this draft.
                                Exsqueeze Me, Baking Powder?

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