Just going to go ahead and rule out Moody as an option for the Raps. The more I read up on him and see video, the more he seems like a Trent Jr. clone. Classic catch and shoot, 3&D wing. Anyone see him as a potential all star?
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Mo Bamba might have been an All Star by now if Raps picked him and developed him. Let's not act like Raps are just pulling starter caliber talent out of their asses with late firsts and seconds. They are developing them.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
That's what I said. They're all bust. If you're picking in the top 10 the expectation should be is to draft a future all star. At worst a really really good player like a JV or a McCollum or an Eric Gordon.
Do you think the Raptors are doing this(tanking) just to draft the next Jakob Poeltl or Mo Bamba? would anyone here be happy if they draft the next Mo Bamba 7th overall?
Plenty of drafts only your top 3 or so have legitimate All Star potential. Might be a diamond in the rough later in the draft but no one knows who those guys are at the time."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View Post
There are only 24 All Star spots. How can the expectation possibly be to draft 10 new/future ones every year? All Star level players have 10-15 year NBA careers. That's 100-150 All Stars drafted during their career? That's not the expectation at all.
Plenty of drafts only your top 3 or so have legitimate All Star potential. Might be a diamond in the rough later in the draft but no one knows who those guys are at the time.
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S.R. wrote: View Post
There are only 24 All Star spots. How can the expectation possibly be to draft 10 new/future ones every year? All Star level players have 10-15 year NBA careers. That's 100-150 All Stars drafted during their career? That's not the expectation at all.
Plenty of drafts only your top 3 or so have legitimate All Star potential. Might be a diamond in the rough later in the draft but no one knows who those guys are at the time.Mamba Mentality
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Primer wrote: View Post
This right here. The expectation of getting an all star just because you're drafting in the top 10 is completely unrealistic, the numbers just don't add up to make that remotely possible. I think a good expectation is getting a multi year starter who is a difference maker on the court. Like an OG or Siakam level player I'd be happy with in the top 10.Mamba Mentality
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magoon wrote: View Post
If Masai likes a non-top-4 player and wants to trade down, he can potentially trade with Orlando (who if we get a top 4 will most likely be bumped to 5) for their two lottery picks. Or with Golden State for #6 and #17. Or with other teams for a mid-lottery pick and a future first or two (which is the same way Dallas traded up to get Luka).
If they have a specific player in mind, two picks > one pick.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
If that is not the expectation then why are they doing this? why are they tanking? and how come a lot of people here want them to tank? just to draft an average player?
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The Great One wrote: View Post
If that is not the expectation then why are they doing this? why are they tanking? and how come a lot of people here want them to tank? just to draft an average player?
The point of any draft isn't "to get an All-Star" - that's the hope, certainly, but it's not the point. The point is to improve your overall stock of talent on the roster so the team gets better and/or has more assets in the event a particularly advantageous trade becomes available. Masai and Bobby have demonstrated at this point that they can identify good players who can contribute to the team's winning nature while also becoming assets in the event of a trade, and sometimes they get star players or near-star players at the same time: Jakob and Delon and Matt Thomas were in the first group, and Pascal, OG and Fred in the second group.
Higher draft picks make it more likely to hit on higher talent players, which mean better players and better assets overall. We all love the longshot nondraftees and reclamation project players the Raptors sign and try to squeeze wins from, be they Rondae or Yuta or Watson or TD2 or even Stanley, but those guys almost always have ceilings because the league is mostly pretty good at surveilling basketball potential and the obvious/most likely picks always go early. Winning teams don't often get chances in the lottery so in a year where winning matters a lot less than normal and is less likely than normal, it makes sense to tank.
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