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golden wrote: View Post
Stats need to be adjusted for strength of competition, which can vary widely between NCAA divisions let alone trying to compare G-League and various international pro leagues. That’s more of an art than science.
Outside of Bruno of course but I think that pick has given them a bad taste on guys that didn't play in America. But could be wrong.. we've rarely picked high in the draft except the Poeltl year.
So when people think we're getting Giddey because we went down to Australia to watch him play it makes me laugh. We do our homework. But we tend to always go with someone else.
The G-league is a completely different curve ball. I suspect actually to see Green and Kuminga drop a bit because it might be difficult to rate them compared to others.
Either way our scouting team generally does a fantastic job. I had way more fear in my eyes before Colangelo made his picks than I will with Masai (even though Colangelo did a pretty good job overall). I just suspect Mobley to be their guy this year. He crosses off a lot of check marks based on how they've drafted in the past.
- He's a great defender.
- He has great analytics
- He played NCAA ball
- He seems to have a sharp mind / good IQ
- Fills a position of need as well (although this doesn't typically matter to them)
Cade is missing some stuff from this list.. most notably his advanced metrics are off a bit from what you would expect out of a sure fire #1 pick. And he played in the NCAA too.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Hope you're right.. but based on stats alone Mobley should be the #1 pick. Just like Ayton was in 2018.
Cade's ws/40 being a paltry .166 is going to raise some eyebrows in our draft room. I hope we look past that though.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
I totally agree.. but just looking at Masai's draft history we can see a bit of a trend on how they get guys. They have always taken guys that played NCAA ball. Even though they have scouted international players all the time. I remember them looking closely at Maledon and taking Flynn anyway (as an example).
Outside of Bruno of course but I think that pick has given them a bad taste on guys that didn't play in America. But could be wrong.. we've rarely picked high in the draft except the Poeltl year.
So when people think we're getting Giddey because we went down to Australia to watch him play it makes me laugh. We do our homework. But we tend to always go with someone else.
The G-league is a completely different curve ball. I suspect actually to see Green and Kuminga drop a bit because it might be difficult to rate them compared to others.
Either way our scouting team generally does a fantastic job. I had way more fear in my eyes before Colangelo made his picks than I will with Masai (even though Colangelo did a pretty good job overall). I just suspect Mobley to be their guy this year. He crosses off a lot of check marks based on how they've drafted in the past.
- He's a great defender.
- He has great analytics
- He played NCAA ball
- He seems to have a sharp mind / good IQ
- Fills a position of need as well (although this doesn't typically matter to them)
Cade is missing some stuff from this list.. most notably his advanced metrics are off a bit from what you would expect out of a sure fire #1 pick. And he played in the NCAA too.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
in my opinion I think Mobley is the better overall long-term prospect. I think Cade instantly would have a bigger impact. Cade would lead to us needing to do weird roster balance trades.
And personally I'm not high on Mobley at all. I'd take Green and Suggs over him for sure. But I think this front office would like Mobley more. His analytics are eye popping compared to others in his tier in the draft. And he's an elite defender. Was in the running for DPOY but went to Mitchell.
Cade looks like a Tatum/Luka hybrid. And those guys are insta-stars. Mobley looks like that classic skinny/tall big that will do well, but will be more of a role player than a star. Just like Ayton is.
I hope I'm just over thinking it.. but I like to use previous drafts as examples of what this front office will do next. Mobley looks like the perfect Masai pick, and Cade unfortunately does not.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Hope you're right.. but based on stats alone Mobley should be the #1 pick. Just like Ayton was in 2018.
Cade's ws/40 being a paltry .166 is going to raise some eyebrows in our draft room. I hope we look past that though.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Posthe is the consensus #1 for a good reason.
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Primer wrote: View Post
Ayton was the consensus #1 pick in 2018 just like Cade is now. That's far more relevant in predicting who will go #1 than their college stats.
This is why a lot of mocks right now have Mitchell going at #7, because right now draft experts believe the Raptors would go for him. He fits the Raptor draft profile of an older kid that plays elite level defense.
Once the lottery is over, we'll see if Cade still lands at #1. It will depend on who wins the lottery I think more than anything. If the Raps get the #1 pick, I wouldn't be surprised if Mobley suddenly becomes #1 in mock drafts. Although most draft experts will have no idea what way the Raptors would be leaning, as they always get it wrong with respect to how they think the Raptors will draft.
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In previous years they would draft guys who had a lot of skills except shooting believing that they can develop it. Last year though they drafted capable shooters so that could be a sign that they realize their limitations. With Harris they even drafted a guy not known at all for his defense.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostIn previous years they would draft guys who had a lot of skills except shooting believing that they can develop it. Last year though they drafted capable shooters so that could be a sign that they realize their limitations. With Harris they even drafted a guy not known at all for his defense.
With first round picks they usually go defense first. Flynn was a DPOY in his conference.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
The second round / undrafted guys are harder to read since you pretty much have a limited pool to work with. Matt Thomas and Jalen Harris are two that came in without little defense to their names. So they were brought in as shooting specialists I guess.
With first round picks they usually go defense first. Flynn was a DPOY in his conference.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
I totally agree.. but just looking at Masai's draft history we can see a bit of a trend on how they get guys. They have always taken guys that played NCAA ball. Even though they have scouted international players all the time. I remember them looking closely at Maledon and taking Flynn anyway (as an example).
Outside of Bruno of course but I think that pick has given them a bad taste on guys that didn't play in America. But could be wrong.. we've rarely picked high in the draft except the Poeltl year.
So when people think we're getting Giddey because we went down to Australia to watch him play it makes me laugh. We do our homework. But we tend to always go with someone else.
The G-league is a completely different curve ball. I suspect actually to see Green and Kuminga drop a bit because it might be difficult to rate them compared to others.
Either way our scouting team generally does a fantastic job. I had way more fear in my eyes before Colangelo made his picks than I will with Masai (even though Colangelo did a pretty good job overall). I just suspect Mobley to be their guy this year. He crosses off a lot of check marks based on how they've drafted in the past.
- He's a great defender.
- He has great analytics
- He played NCAA ball
- He seems to have a sharp mind / good IQ
- Fills a position of need as well (although this doesn't typically matter to them)
Cade is missing some stuff from this list.. most notably his advanced metrics are off a bit from what you would expect out of a sure fire #1 pick. And he played in the NCAA too.
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golden wrote: View Post
The one knock against Mobley is that he was a freshman (1 and done). Raptors generally take older guys.. Every Masai Raptor pick (other than Bruno), including those undrafted kids played at least 2 years in school.
DeAndre Daniels 3 years. Norm 4 years. Delon 4 years. Pascal 2 years. Poeltl 2 years. Fred 4 years. OG 2 years. Davis 4 years. Hernandez 2 years. Thomas 4 years. Flynn 3 years. Harris 3 years (redshirted one of them, otherwise 4).
But Cade, Suggs, Green and Kuminga were are all 1 and done's as well (Green and Kuminga in the G-league of course).
Other top prospects: Barnes, both Johnson's and Moses Moody were freshmen as well.
James Bouknight played 2 years. As did Franz Wagner. Davion Mitchell played 3 and Corey Kispert played 4.
If we're not in the top 4 do we get an older kid? Maybe that's why all the mocks have us taking Mitchell.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Well consensus drafts are misleading. Mocks aren't there to decide who they think is the best player. They are there to see who they think each team will select in the draft in order. I know of a lot of chatter online during the draft had Luka as the best player in the draft in 2018. But the mocks felt the Suns favoured Ayton more and were right.
This is why a lot of mocks right now have Mitchell going at #7, because right now draft experts believe the Raptors would go for him. He fits the Raptor draft profile of an older kid that plays elite level defense.
Once the lottery is over, we'll see if Cade still lands at #1. It will depend on who wins the lottery I think more than anything. If the Raps get the #1 pick, I wouldn't be surprised if Mobley suddenly becomes #1 in mock drafts. Although most draft experts will have no idea what way the Raptors would be leaning, as they always get it wrong with respect to how they think the Raptors will draft.
Ayton, just like Cade, was always listed at #1 before the lotto and after. Cade will be the same.
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