Why is Suggs on people list at 4 ? If he get drafted in the top 10 I will be shocked
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grindhouse wrote: View PostHere are some drafting rules
#1 don’t draft a point guard in the top 10 unless he is generational
#2 don’t draft a Center in the top 10 unless he is generational
# 3 dont draft a player in the top 10 that is undersize height, length wise at his position.
# 4 prioritize scoring - BB IQ - defence …
For instance, for your # 1: Luca was too slow and Trae was an undersized wannabe Steph
# 2: Ayton doesn't appear to be generational, but I'm sure the Suns are happy with him
# 3: People were laughing when the Hawks picked up Trae Young.
# 4: When the Spurs drafted Kawhi, SDSU had him playing power forward and center. He was a defensive specialist with a good shooting stroke. People were not sure he could play the 3, they just made jokes about how huge his hands were.
Personally, I think teams should prioritize older players with surer outcomes, young players who interview well, etc. Obviously, height is important, but if I was a GM, if in the tier of player available to me was a tall, uber athlete and a player who was slightly undersized with a high b ball IQ, maturity and drive I would probably take the smaller player.
As far as Suggs being a top 4 talent in the draft, He's won at every level he's played basketball despite playing football most of that time. He's won internationally, he led an almost undefeated Gonzaga team. His advanced metric stats are insane. Not just for Gonzaga, but for Team USA as well. He's big enough to defend 2 positions, and has the skill and b ball IQ to do so. At the beginning of the NCAA season, there were scouts calling him a better prospect than Cade...which is insane, but there were people saying that. Even if say, Kuminga goes early and he falls, there's no way that he doesn't get drafted by OKC or Golden State. He should be a top 4 lock, but even with a chaotic draft he's a top 7 lock.
Why do you not see him as a top 10 talent?
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You don't take Mobley for his fit. You take him because his ceiling is sky high.
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I may be as excited to see what we do with our two second round picks as I am with the #4. With #4 I know we are getting a potential stud with name recognition. In the second round to we stay put, move up to late 1st round, trade for future assets? I have said it before and I will say it again, Filip Petrusev is a guy I really like in our range in round 2, although I think he is a first round guy. Some other names are Joe Wieskamp, AJ Lawson and Ayo Dosunmu.Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY
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WJF wrote: View PostI may be as excited to see what we do with our two second round picks as I am with the #4. With #4 I know we are getting a potential stud with name recognition. In the second round to we stay put, move up to late 1st round, trade for future assets? I have said it before and I will say it again, Filip Petrusev is a guy I really like in our range in round 2, although I think he is a first round guy. Some other names are Joe Wieskamp, AJ Lawson and Ayo Dosunmu.
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magoon wrote: View Post
I'm increasingly bearish on Keon. He's a guard without any of the skills you want a guard to have, and that's a concern, and he doesn't really do anything that other prospects don't already do better. If you like his defense, why not just draft Barnes instead because Barnes is better at it? If you want an athletic scoring guard, why pick him over Bouknight, who can actually shoot? If you hope he can be a two-way wing, why not just take Moses Moody, who already is one?
Keon is a project pick with a lot of bust potential, like Kuminga, and my general feeling is that you want a draftee to have at least one elite skill - not athletic talent (which fades), but skill. The case for Giddey, for example, is that he's already a transcendent passer. The case for Barnes is excellent defense and strong passing. The case for Corey Kispert is elite shooting. These are guys who taught themselves how to use their physical tools to do something at an elite level, and if a player has done that the odds are good you can teach him to do more. All Keon's got so far is great hops.
Keon is not just an athletic guy. He's a great defender. He's also got a little mid range game in his arsenal and he's also got a good shooting form. That's why I'm confident that he's going to be a good shooter.
All the prospects that you mentioned have holes in their game as well. Other than Barnes all those guys don't play any defense. And the only guys that can score on that group is Bouknight. I say there's a bigger chance those guys bust than Keon.
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The Great One wrote: View PostMann is in my top 10 as well along with Springer. Keon is in my top 5.
My top 10 rankings:
1. Green
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Cade
5. Keon
6. Kuminga
7. Barnes
8. Mann
9. Springer
10. Moody
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blackjitsu wrote: View Post
These rules aren't really realistic. No matter how good a scouting team is, they can't know who is generational, all they can do is look at a player and assess the tools that they have, if they put in the work their potential, and do background research on whether the player is capable of doing the work.
For instance, for your # 1: Luca was too slow and Trae was an undersized wannabe Steph
# 2: Ayton doesn't appear to be generational, but I'm sure the Suns are happy with him
# 3: People were laughing when the Hawks picked up Trae Young.
# 4: When the Spurs drafted Kawhi, SDSU had him playing power forward and center. He was a defensive specialist with a good shooting stroke. People were not sure he could play the 3, they just made jokes about how huge his hands were.
Personally, I think teams should prioritize older players with surer outcomes, young players who interview well, etc. Obviously, height is important, but if I was a GM, if in the tier of player available to me was a tall, uber athlete and a player who was slightly undersized with a high b ball IQ, maturity and drive I would probably take the smaller player.
As far as Suggs being a top 4 talent in the draft, He's won at every level he's played basketball despite playing football most of that time. He's won internationally, he led an almost undefeated Gonzaga team. His advanced metric stats are insane. Not just for Gonzaga, but for Team USA as well. He's big enough to defend 2 positions, and has the skill and b ball IQ to do so. At the beginning of the NCAA season, there were scouts calling him a better prospect than Cade...which is insane, but there were people saying that. Even if say, Kuminga goes early and he falls, there's no way that he doesn't get drafted by OKC or Golden State. He should be a top 4 lock, but even with a chaotic draft he's a top 7 lock.
Why do you not see him as a top 10 talent?
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