Bosh couldn't win in his era but that has no effect on this era. If Bosh played right now who is his competition? Sabonis? Randle? Porzingis? There's no KG in this era, no Dirk, no Pau Gasol, no Tim Duncan. Only real competition is Anthony Davis, Giannis. Bosh would play a lot of center too so he would be tough matchup wise.
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S.R. wrote: View Post
What are your thoughts on Cade? Why at 4?
Anyway, It's an unpopular opinion but i'm gonna stick with what I said and i've been saying this for a while now. Jalen Green is the best player in this draft. He has the highest upside and I believe the Pistons will take him 1st overall. I'm also warming up on Mobley because of his ability to guard perimeter players and his ability to rim protect. I still would take Green and Suggs over him though.Mamba Mentality
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grindhouse wrote: View Post
Can Mobley hit the gym and gain size strength and keep his twitch. Does he have aggressiveness.
he has chris bosh written all over him
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Mitchell Duong wrote: View PostI'd take Mobley. I think he's a small tier above Green and Suggs. That defense is the real deal and I like the toolkit for offense.
If Mobley is the guy then that is great. If Suggs is the guy then that is also great. Then there's an outside chance that it's Dame Time next fall in Toronto.
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Apollo wrote: View Post
Where the Raptors are is the perfect spot. They may capitalize on a surprise drop or a crazy trade down/out offer as their best cases and the selection from a handful of exciting high tier prospects as their worst case scenario. Getting this pick position may have sped up the rebuild by a few years.
If Mobley is the guy then that is great. If Suggs is the guy then that is also great. Then there's an outside chance that it's Dame Time next fall in Toronto.
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Apollo wrote: View Post
Where the Raptors are is the perfect spot. They may capitalize on a surprise drop or a crazy trade down/out offer as their best cases and the selection from a handful of exciting high tier prospects as their worst case scenario. Getting this pick position may have sped up the rebuild by a few years.
If Mobley is the guy then that is great. If Suggs is the guy then that is also great. Then there's an outside chance that it's Dame Time next fall in Toronto.
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grindhouse wrote: View Post
No one is factoring in international players it happens every year almost. Most mock drafts only look at ncaa. Suggs is not a top 4 pick internationally I could be wrong but I don’t see it.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostNo doubt. I stopped watching CBS Sports mock drafts on Youtube because they're NCAA bias was painfully obvious. They also overvalue freshman. I really like Giddey and am curious about Sengun from Turkey. Garuba's interesting as well. All 3 should be top 15 picks. There are European players rumored for the end of the first round who aren't even on most mock drafts as well. But from my unprofessional eye, Suggs appears to be worth the hype.
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
I'd take a Dame over a Bosh anytime
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I did an exercise about a month ago (when I thought we had the 7th pick). I took all of Masai's past draft picks and scouted what they were best at according to nbadraft.net (which is definitely not ideal but was the easiest for this exercise). It was very obvious that Defense was rated very high on his priority list so I doubled that category in its weighting which is totally subjective and absolutely influenced this mock "draft board." I then took the other categories that were important based on previous players strengths and so you can see below what categories that left me with. I did not order them in any specific order after their "Total" number so it created Tiers:
Tier 1 - Mobley, Johnson, Mitchell, Barnes
Tier 2 - Green, Suggs, Springer
Tier 3 - Cunningham, Moody, Jones
Tier 4 - Kuminga, Kispert
Tier 5 - etc...
Feel free to rip it apart but know that these are not my personal Tiers and I'm less interested in an argument about how bad nbadraft's info is and much more interested in hearing RR's thoughts on:
1. What categories do you think move up in importance when you are drafting in the top 5?
(Complete list of nbadraft categories: Athleticism, Size, Defense, Strength, Quickness, Leadership, Jump Shot, NBA Ready, Ball Handling, Potential, Passing, Intangibles, Rebounding, Post Skills)
2. What are your top 5 categories if you're drafting for the Raptors?
​​​​​​Defense Athleticism Quickness NBA Ready Intangibles TOTAL Evan Mobley 18 9 9 7 7 50 Keon Johnson 18 9 9 6 8 50 Davion Mitchell 18 7 9 8 8 50 Scottie Barnes 18 8 8 8 8 50 Jalen Green 16 9 9 7 8 49 Jalen Suggs 16 8 8 8 9 49 Jaden Springer 18 8 8 7 8 49 Cade Cunningham 16 8 7 8 9 48 Moses Moody 16 8 8 8 8 48 Kai Jones 16 9 9 6 8 48 Jonathan Kuminga 14 9 8 8 7 46 Corey Kispert 14 7 7 9 9 46 Jalen Johnson 16 8 8 7 6 45 Josh Christopher 14 9 8 7 7 45 Johnny Juzang 14 7 7 8 9 45
PS - I adjusted Scottie Barnes Defense to a 9 (it was an 8 on nbadraft and I feel quite confident it should have been higher).
PPS - nbadraft also didn't have anything for the international prospects so they are not accounted for here“Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.”
― John Wooden
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Primer wrote: View Post
I don't think we should give up what is needed to get Dame, and I doubt he's actually available either. There's a good chance Suggs ends up being just as good or better than Dame (better in different ways), his freshman college stats are better pretty much across the board than Dame's were, and against much tougher competition. Dame was a 4 year college player so to keep things relative only fair to look at their college freshman seasons since both were starters and played the same minutes.
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magoon wrote: View Post
The international crop this year isn't particularly impressive, honestly. I was looking at Envergure's rankings (they're a French group blog of scouts) and their highest international player on their big board is Sengun, and they have him at 18. The only other international players they have in the top 30 are Roko Prkacin at 26 and Usman Garuba at 28. Other American scouts have Garuba or Roko higher, but Sengun seems to be dropping on a lot of big boards because he's only 6'9" but his lateral speed means he has to play the 5 on defense, and there aren't many 6'9" centers who manage to get a lot of minutes for obvious reasons - Tristan Thompson is about it.
Historically there's Ben Wallace of course. Al Jeff. Al Horford. Is Favours taller than 6'10?
Anyways, if he can play the 5 he can play the 5. Just might not be who I'd want to build my defense around.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostIt would likely take less assets to move up to grab Green than to trade for Dame, if it's a lead scorer you're looking for.
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