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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Hawks lost so you finally changed your perspective. Good to have you back on defense side.
Lou Will and Gallo are extreme examples that prove that rule. There's no way a team with those guys playing major minutes should have even made it out of the first round. Heck, based on defense.... a team with Trae Young, John Collins, Bogdanovich and Heurter in the starting lineup and a bench of Lou/Gallo should be looking at a top 4 pick in the lottery.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
we aren't having this conversation again lol very rare for a team to win a defence over the past 10 years without being top 10 in both. VERY rare.
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grindhouse wrote: View Post
Fair enough but you get my point
the first spurs championship started avery johnson and mario elie
none of the three heat championship backcourts were big (wade and jwill or wade and chalmers)
the mavs three guard rotation was jason kidd, jason terry, and jj barea
so that's 7 more championship teamsLast edited by chris; Fri Jul 9, 2021, 03:47 PM.
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My new mock draft. It's pretty much the same other than I now have Bouknight in the top 10. The Warriors need a guy that can help them now so i have them taking Bouknight. Mitchell also a possibility here.
1. Pistons - Green
2. Rockets - Cade
3. Cavs - Suggs
4. Raps - Mobley
5. Magic - Barnes
6. OKC - Kuminga
7 .GSW - Bouknight
8. Magic - Keon
9. SAC - Wagner
10. Pels - MoodyMamba Mentality
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The Great One wrote: View Post
Lol that was last year. Last year they had you know......Kyle Lowry. You and I know that If the Raptors didn't tank last year, if they didn't sat Lowry and FVV and OG and Trent the last 15 games or so, they would've made the play in(easily) and they would've beat whoever they play and I believe they would've made some noise in the playoffs.
But anyway, their best player, Kyle Lowry is likely not going to be here next year. So the offense will revolve around FVV and Siakam. So yeah....lol. Can they make the playoffs next year? yes because they're in the East. Are they a contender? no. Are they in the same situation as the Warriors? no. So why not trade your current best player(Siakam) and acquire some assets so you can accelerate your rebuild or retool or whatever you call this? because everyone know that the Raptors are not going to win anything with Siakam as their best player.
Would we not also want a number 2 guy to play along Green.
Would Siakam not be one of the ideal guys to play along Green? A role that he has shown to excel at in the past.
A fast, mobile big that runs the floor in transition and is also an excellent defender.
Plugging in any of the top 4 players significantly enhances our team. We are comparing these kids to guys like Bosh, Beal, Lillard. We would have to give up the farm to get any of those players (rightfully so). We do have this pick. Like it's ours, it's not going away. If these kids do progress into these types of players, and quickly, we have the surrounding team. If they take longer, and we have retained our current core, we trade our core at that time. Not prior.
We should see what we have. That doesn't cost a thing. See how they mesh together. Where do we excel, where do we need to improve. Will the rookie and a guy like Siakam have the same timeline. No. But neither does Ayton, Booker and Paul and they seem to be doing alright right now.
Trading our core group, especially a guy like Siakam that has not played as well since the pandemic, would not be a sell high move. If this front office has showed us anything they typically don't do that. If they need to move on they do. (See Carrol.) If they still see potential they wait. If they get to a point where they are playing better than their contract (and they don't fit with the current timeline) they then move them for assets (see Powell). Finally if they have the assets and a player wants to move on from their current team, they trade (see the Kawhi trade).
Moving a guy like Siakam for Wiggins, Wiseman and #7 is saying that you think a guy at #7 or Wiseman will be the better player compared to Pascal, or that Wiggins is a more trade-able asset. Which I don't think is the case, and if it's not why are you doing it? Now if they really do see a guy at 7, and maybe the throw in #14 and there is a guy there the covet as well, then maybe. That is a lot of "what if's" though.
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Shredder wrote: View Post
You've talked about Green being the #1 guy in this draft. He could also potentially fall to us. If that happens wouldn't that speed up the rebuild.
Would we not also want a number 2 guy to play along Green.
Would Siakam not be one of the ideal guys to play along Green? A role that he has shown to excel at in the past.
A fast, mobile big that runs the floor in transition and is also an excellent defender.
Plugging in any of the top 4 players significantly enhances our team. We are comparing these kids to guys like Bosh, Beal, Lillard. We would have to give up the farm to get any of those players (rightfully so). We do have this pick. Like it's ours, it's not going away. If these kids do progress into these types of players, and quickly, we have the surrounding team. If they take longer, and we have retained our current core, we trade our core at that time. Not prior.
We should see what we have. That doesn't cost a thing. See how they mesh together. Where do we excel, where do we need to improve. Will the rookie and a guy like Siakam have the same timeline. No. But neither does Ayton, Booker and Paul and they seem to be doing alright right now.
Trading our core group, especially a guy like Siakam that has not played as well since the pandemic, would not be a sell high move. If this front office has showed us anything they typically don't do that. If they need to move on they do. (See Carrol.) If they still see potential they wait. If they get to a point where they are playing better than their contract (and they don't fit with the current timeline) they then move them for assets (see Powell). Finally if they have the assets and a player wants to move on from their current team, they trade (see the Kawhi trade).
Moving a guy like Siakam for Wiggins, Wiseman and #7 is saying that you think a guy at #7 or Wiseman will be the better player compared to Pascal, or that Wiggins is a more trade-able asset. Which I don't think is the case, and if it's not why are you doing it? Now if they really do see a guy at 7, and maybe the throw in #14 and there is a guy there the covet as well, then maybe. That is a lot of "what if's" though.
As for the Siakam trade that I proposed, Wiggins will never live up to being the #1 overall pick but he's more than good enough to be a starter in this league. Plus he's a guy that can create his own shot. The Raptors don't have a player like that. But this trade really is more about Wiseman and 7. Wiseman would solve the Raps C position. As for the 7th overall pick, this is a very deep draft and the Raptors are well known as a great drafting team, right? it's a match made in heaven.
Team A
Wiseman
OG
Wiggins
Green/Suggs
FVV
7th overall pick.
Team B
Mobley
Siakam
OG
Trent
FVV
Team C
Birch
Siakam
OG
Green/Suggs
FVV
A, B or C? it's a no brainer imo. Team B though is more realistic.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
Yes, If Green or Suggs or Cade fall to them at 4 that would for sure help accelerate the rebuild.
As for the Siakam trade that I proposed, Wiggins will never live up to being the #1 overall pick but he's more than good enough to be a starter in this league. Plus he's a guy that can create his own shot. The Raptors don't have a player like that. But this trade really is more about Wiseman and 7. Wiseman would solve the Raps C position. As for the 7th overall pick, this is a very deep draft and the Raptors are well known as a great drafting team, right? it's a match made in heaven.
Team A
Wiseman
OG
Wiggins
Green/Suggs
FVV
7th overall pick.
Team B
Mobley
Siakam
OG
Trent
FVV
Team C
Birch
Siakam
OG
Green/Suggs
FVV
A, B or C? it's a no brainer imo. Team B though is more realistic.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
Yes, If Green or Suggs or Cade fall to them at 4 that would for sure help accelerate the rebuild.
As for the Siakam trade that I proposed, Wiggins will never live up to being the #1 overall pick but he's more than good enough to be a starter in this league. Plus he's a guy that can create his own shot. The Raptors don't have a player like that. But this trade really is more about Wiseman and 7. Wiseman would solve the Raps C position. As for the 7th overall pick, this is a very deep draft and the Raptors are well known as a great drafting team, right? it's a match made in heaven.
Team A
Wiseman
OG
Wiggins
Green/Suggs
FVV
7th overall pick.
Team B
Mobley
Siakam
OG
Trent
FVV
Team C
Birch
Siakam
OG
Green/Suggs
FVV
A, B or C? it's a no brainer imo. Team B though is more realistic.
That can look like a watered down Suns.
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We have a couple of 2nd Round Picks in the mid 40's
Anyone watch or seen one Jericho Sims guy.
He showed well at the combine according to The Atlletics John Hollinger.
He is 6'10" - 250 LBS- Texas center Jericho Sims has never been asked to score and often played second fiddle to more prominent talent (he was Mo Bamba’s backup as a freshman, for instance). Nonetheless, he always brought defense and rim running to the Longhorns, and his performance in the combine made it clear he can fill the same role in the pros. Sims made 14 of his 19 shots from the field, mostly alley-oops and rim runs for dunks while showing obvious physical traits for the next level. Underscoring that latter point, Sims measured with a 7-3 ¼ wingspan and had the second-best no-step vertical (37 inches).
There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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golden wrote: View Post
Not disagreeing with that. My point is that you can't keep bringing in only defense-first guys with stone hands. Have to be able to coach all types of players and integrate them into a system that works for everybody.
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chris wrote: View Post
the rockets guard rotation was not very big (kenny smith, sam cassell, mad max, mario elie)
the first spurs championship started avery johnson and mario elie
none of the three heat championship backcourts were big (wade and jwill or wade and chalmers)
the mavs three guard rotation was jason kidd, jason terry, and jj barea
so that's 7 more championship teams
are we saying Suggs and Fred are projecting to be hall of famers? I will bet real money on that not happening!
If Brandon Roy is best case that’s still not enough.Last edited by grindhouse; Fri Jul 9, 2021, 11:18 PM.
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