That was a great draft class! Corey Maggette was selected right after this guy, I was a hug fan of him back in the day.
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Dvdvideo wrote: View PostI dont want to see Siakam traded, I think you guys are consistently undervaluing his defense. Maybe he hasn't developed into the true superstar in terms of scoring, but he's not just all about offense. There is still room to improve as well.
John wall? When did he ever win anywhere? No thanks.
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Jclaw wrote: View Post12 days to go. Is there a Twelve Days of Draftmas countdown song? I know I said the picks would get more memorable as we got closer. Today.....that is not the case. This Raptors’ pick did not go so well (but not the worst!). Anyone recognize him?
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Now I agree with everything you said, BUT for the sake of conversation it should be noted that depending on who you get back in a trade of Siakam, it could have a similar effect of the JV for Gasol trade. Team basketball IQ goes up just as much by subtraction as it does by addition. Similar to JV I feel like Siakam doesn't play at the same "level" as FVV, Lowry and even OG now I think. The pace of the game seems a bit too fast for him still. Perhaps the reps they force-fed him will create a breakthrough at which point ther is no way you would trade him because he would be a top 15 type guy.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1517839258352226
Siakam on defence though is elite and bbiq isn't a problem he understands how to call out passes and stuff. That is BBIQ. So no I would disagree.
Gasol brought two things. He was a downgrade rebounding wise but position wise on defence he was able to basically help stop and call out plays. JV never did that. He also brought a passing ability that was second to none. So those two skills made it so that he had a multiplier effect on our team. Mobley is good enough to have that multiplier effect I believe HOWEVER inserting him into the center spot without siakam is not going to get you better.
OG defensively is insane but he is just not there offensively. He doesn't have the footwork. Does have the strength and he doesn't quite understand his own positioning yet. Siakam is just simply better at that RIGHT NOW. There are many break downs on the "TOOMUCHHOOPS" channel on youtube where he did good deep dives throughout our last play off run.
Here is a good example of a few videos that outline his offensive style:
Here is one from before the chip:
After the chip
Siakam needs to do two things. Get his 3 point shooting back above 30% where it was, and work on his finishing ability.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
Not really. I mean don't get me wrong Mobley will have a GREAT BBIQ but you are then without a power forward. Pascal plays really good defence in part because he has an elite understanding of the floor at all times especially on the defensive end. In terms of OG offensively both of them need to work on their foot work. Kobe RIP did a good series and he broke down siakam. Can't find the original video on youtube but here you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1517839258352226
Siakam on defence though is elite and bbiq isn't a problem he understands how to call out passes and stuff. That is BBIQ. So no I would disagree.
Gasol brought two things. He was a downgrade rebounding wise but position wise on defence he was able to basically help stop and call out plays. JV never did that. He also brought a passing ability that was second to none. So those two skills made it so that he had a multiplier effect on our team. Mobley is good enough to have that multiplier effect I believe HOWEVER inserting him into the center spot without siakam is not going to get you better.
OG defensively is insane but he is just not there offensively. He doesn't have the footwork. Does have the strength and he doesn't quite understand his own positioning yet. Siakam is just simply better at that RIGHT NOW. There are many break downs on the "TOOMUCHHOOPS" channel on youtube where he did good deep dives throughout our last play off run.
Here is a good example of a few videos that outline his offensive style:
Here is one from before the chip:
After the chip
Siakam needs to do two things. Get his 3 point shooting back above 30% where it was, and work on his finishing ability.
LOLGIVE ME UPVOTESSSSSS
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I think people have to temper their expectations with Pascal. He does a lot good things on the court but he isn't the number one option on offence. He's paid like he should be, which causes people to have high expectations. I think he is a great second/third option, that can play great D, and handles the ball pretty well and has good court vision. Put the money aside, he's still a good player, and will fit well with whomever we add with the 4th pick. Fingers crossed that #4 becomes that number 1 option...but time will tell. I think our cap situation is good, even though we overpaid Pascal.
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Primer wrote: View Post
I think the understanding in any Pascal trade scenario is that OG becomes your PF. Trent can start at SF. We're also rumored to be signing Ishmael Wainright who can play SF.
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saints91 wrote: View PostI think people have to temper their expectations with Pascal. He does a lot good things on the court but he isn't the number one option on offence. He's paid like he should be, which causes people to have high expectations. I think he is a great second/third option, that can play great D, and handles the ball pretty well and has good court vision. Put the money aside, he's still a good player, and will fit well with whomever we add with the 4th pick. Fingers crossed that #4 becomes that number 1 option...but time will tell. I think our cap situation is good, even though we overpaid Pascal.
His cap hold isn't THAT much and isn't that bad either. Basically I am against having any super max guy on your team...
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
Not really. I mean don't get me wrong Mobley will have a GREAT BBIQ but you are then without a power forward. Pascal plays really good defence in part because he has an elite understanding of the floor at all times especially on the defensive end. In terms of OG offensively both of them need to work on their foot work. Kobe RIP did a good series and he broke down siakam. Can't find the original video on youtube but here you go:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1517839258352226
Siakam on defence though is elite and bbiq isn't a problem he understands how to call out passes and stuff. That is BBIQ. So no I would disagree.
Gasol brought two things. He was a downgrade rebounding wise but position wise on defence he was able to basically help stop and call out plays. JV never did that. He also brought a passing ability that was second to none. So those two skills made it so that he had a multiplier effect on our team. Mobley is good enough to have that multiplier effect I believe HOWEVER inserting him into the center spot without siakam is not going to get you better.
OG defensively is insane but he is just not there offensively. He doesn't have the footwork. Does have the strength and he doesn't quite understand his own positioning yet. Siakam is just simply better at that RIGHT NOW. There are many break downs on the "TOOMUCHHOOPS" channel on youtube where he did good deep dives throughout our last play off run.
Here is a good example of a few videos that outline his offensive style:
Here is one from before the chip:
After the chip
Siakam needs to do two things. Get his 3 point shooting back above 30% where it was, and work on his finishing ability.
LOLGIVE ME UPVOTESSSSSS
Second I gotta disagree with your description of Pascals defense. He's not a good defender because he has great b'ball IQ. He's a good defender because of those intangibles Raps have used as guidelines for drafting, great motor, work ethic, wing span etc. He doesn't have superior awareness or ability to read plays though he's not poor at those things either. On offense it's his lack of b'ball IQ or maybe I should say high b'ball IQ is more evident. Doesn't read what the defense is doing very well, plays with his head down so often misses the open guy, tends to panic when a play breaks down.
Again, not saying I would do it, but if you draft Mobley then trade Siakam to bring in an All Star type player with high b'ball IQ then are we not better? Mobley projects to give you Pascal type defense after all so a replacement in a way.
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saints91 wrote: View PostI think people have to temper their expectations with Pascal. He does a lot good things on the court but he isn't the number one option on offence. He's paid like he should be, which causes people to have high expectations. I think he is a great second/third option, that can play great D, and handles the ball pretty well and has good court vision. Put the money aside, he's still a good player, and will fit well with whomever we add with the 4th pick. Fingers crossed that #4 becomes that number 1 option...but time will tell. I think our cap situation is good, even though we overpaid Pascal.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
For the most part I think people here aren't expecting Siakam to replace what Kawhi gave us, but realistically he's our best trade asset to get that type of player. I just think his biggest improvements are to be made in the way he sees and thinks the game. For example he never out smarts a defender or creates for a teammate in a crafty way, it's always a reliance on being more physically gifted.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
First, the idea isn't to trade Siakam to move up, the idea someone had mentioned was to trade Siakam for a second pick. Not really something I'd be interested in because chances are Siakam right now is much better than anyone being drafted for a good couple years.
Second I gotta disagree with your description of Pascals defense. He's not a good defender because he has great b'ball IQ. He's a good defender because of those intangibles Raps have used as guidelines for drafting, great motor, work ethic, wing span etc. He doesn't have superior awareness or ability to read plays though he's not poor at those things either. On offense it's his lack of b'ball IQ or maybe I should say high b'ball IQ is more evident. Doesn't read what the defense is doing very well, plays with his head down so often misses the open guy, tends to panic when a play breaks down.
Again, not saying I would do it, but if you draft Mobley then trade Siakam to bring in an All Star type player with high b'ball IQ then are we not better? Mobley projects to give you Pascal type defense after all so a replacement in a way.
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grindhouse wrote: View PostI think pascal has hit his ceiling which was above expectations when we drafted him and you know what I am fine with that.
we need a really good Center and 30 pt scorer at the SG position that doesn’t hurt us on defense.
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You can land wherever you like on Pascal's upside, and no matter where you land in a reasonable range, nowhere in that range is his value so low you would trade him to move up from 4 to 2 in a draft where who goes 2 through 4 is a bit of a crapshoot.
IF they trade Pascal, it's for value more like a high lotto pick straight up, not moving up a couple spots. I do NOT think that's a realistic trade scenario, a team trading for Pascal is looking to win now and none of the top 3 are doing so right now.
If any of the top 3 look to trade down with us, they won't be asking for any of our core anyway. They'll be asking for the 4th plus some quantity of future picks. Because, again, none of them are in any hurry to be good right away.
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