Everything Draft 2021

[TrueTorontoFan]

Suggs has great defense. He's just not 6'9 with a freaky wingspan.

yeah let me rephrase that. Barnes is better defensively. Suggs was good and is good defensively but he isn't guarding 1-5...or 1-4. I think he will be guarding 1s and 2s. I think he will ultimately struggle against bigger 2's because he has the defensive principals but he doesn't have a norm powell level wing span. Norm powell who was an average defender to above average ... had a 6'11 wing span yet he was 6'3. It helps when getting into contact in the lane and brushing off guys arms or guarding the ball in the dribble. It also helps with defence obviously.

Suggs is not a bad guy and will do well. For the first two years everyone will say the guy is better.

[MixxAOR]

Yeah best defender in draft is Mobley (DPOY potential). Suggs is a great defender at his position. Cade is great positional defender. But Barnes is a versatile defender.

[Primer]

Pretty sure we both saw it the same way. You don't trade back if you can still get your man ... you just take him. You try to trade up if you see an opportunity (they likely tried for Mobley but weren't able to come to a deal that made sense).


Both of us weren't that big on suggs ... not saying we were down on him but if you go back through the conversations we both seemed to suggest he was a SAFE pick.

Easier to develop a shot... harder to develop defence.

Suggs has great defense. He's just not 6'9 with a freaky wingspan.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I'm pretty sure the Raps front office did exactly that. Picked the guy they think was the best available player.

Pretty sure we both saw it the same way. You don't trade back if you can still get your man ... you just take him. You try to trade up if you see an opportunity (they likely tried for Mobley but weren't able to come to a deal that made sense).


Both of us weren't that big on suggs ... not saying we were down on him but if you go back through the conversations we both seemed to suggest he was a SAFE pick.

Easier to develop a shot... harder to develop defence.

[DanH]

I did not say Barnes reminds me of Bargnani, I said the pick reminds me of Bargnani. We put tons of hope on it, and then It did not work out. I believe you must draft the best available players. It has proved it right in most of the cases.

I'm pretty sure the Raps front office did exactly that. Picked the guy they think was the best available player.

[Puffer]

Just wanted to say congratulations to Shredder who started this thread with the tenuous question "Am I too early?" Sometime in the last two days, it has climbed past the "Everything Kyle Lowry" thread to garner over 4,542 responses. Still lags the Lowry thread in views, but still. Congrats Shredder. You have provided months of entertaining and educational discussion. And so far, no fistfights.

[saints91]

We can’t get caught up in public opinion cause at the end of the day these opinions are trending opinions.

Most of the mock drafts are wrong that’s why we get a kawhi luka type players falling threw the cracks.

Honestly Suggs is the better player right now, that's why people are pissed. The mocks just reinforced that. Masai and Bobby went for coachable upside with less talent now... it's a gamble that I hope pays off.

[grindhouse]

We can’t get caught up in public opinion cause at the end of the day these opinions are trending opinions.

Most of the mock drafts are wrong that’s why we get a kawhi luka type players falling threw the cracks.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Philly made major mistakes in their drafts during "The Process" they were lucky Embiid fell to them because of the foot injury. They selected Michael Carter Williams, Fultz, Nerlens, and Okafor in 5 five years of drafting.

okafor was a bad idea

[saints91]

I been watching drafts for a long time if it’s not the big teams they don’t mock the best players for that team. And fans get trapped in public opinion cause well known name said…a example is markelle fullz tatum was by far the best pick. Philly could of had embib Simmons Tatum and bridges

Philly made major mistakes in their drafts during "The Process" they were lucky Embiid fell to them because of the foot injury. They selected Michael Carter Williams, Fultz, Nerlens, and Okafor in 5 five years of drafting.

[grindhouse]

If you don't rust the "consensus mock drafters keyboard jockeys" then trust the guys who had demonstrated elite capability in their jobs and who had "higher paying jobs as head scouts" or coaches with the Raptors. And they chose Barnes.

I been watching drafts for a long time if it’s not the big teams they don’t mock the best players for that team. And fans get trapped in public opinion cause well known name said…a example is markelle fullz tatum was by far the best pick. Philly could of had embib Simmons Tatum and bridges

[grindhouse]

Just watch some tape on banton kid can’t shoot to save his life. Good thing we drafted him we will develop his shot but it’s bad lol

[TrueTorontoFan]

2 year away from being 2 years away of having the same impact as Rondae Hollis-Jefferson?! I kidd I kidd (I hope)

lol he will have that day one

[Hotshot]

3 years at least realistically

2 year away from being 2 years away of having the same impact as Rondae Hollis-Jefferson?! I kidd I kidd (I hope)

[Kagemusha]

In today's NBA, if you were to choose a ceiling-
Dame or Giannis?

No brainer, right?