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I would start our 5 best players: Lowry/Fred/OG/Siakam/Boucher
Off the bench you need scoring and length, so I'd go with TD/Thomas/Norm/Yuta. I would also give Watson the chance stanley got to see what he can do with consistent minutes. He's a 6'7" wing this team could use, and crack the rotation.
Len/Baynes minutes are a waste imo, they're just a theoretical advantage vs Bulkier C's that often doesn't materialize on the court.
Give the backup C minutes to Pascal/OG and backfill the PF spot with Yuta.
If TD, Thomas and Pascal can share the court, they can open up each other's game because of optimized spacing. TD & Thomas have been under-utilized. With rhythm and 20 minutes a night they could give you 12-14 pts with reasonable defence every night, while also taking some pressure off Pascal (which Stanley doesn't do)
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inthepaint wrote: View Post
All correct. And yet with that fact clear as day (heck we're the only team in history that had a finals MVP leave in free agency immediately after a title), this was our post-championship strategy: Don't sign anyone that eat into 2021 cap space. Since we're so good at attracting free agents, we're going to pry the league MVP (Giannis) OUT of his current team, which happens to be able to pay him more, and has a better record than us.
Hard swing, hard miss. Now we gotta own it, accept the fallout of the miss, and hopefully adjust our sails so we re-focus on what we do best: Draft and trade.
I fear the stubbornness though. 2021 is circled hard on their calendar. My worry is that Lowry will walk in free agency (as the 5th rotation champion leaving with nothing in return), so that for 2021 we can continue to "save cap space" (with which we've never done anything meaningful with like you guys pointed out).
Lowry is looking to be the best free agent in 2021 though, so they'll probably re-sign him and celebrate that we at least managed to retain our own FAs, like with Fred. Ironically though, doing that might get us stuck to that 7-11 zone, away from contention, but also away from the better draft positions.
The jury is still out on Nurse as a player development coach for young players. DD, JV, Ross, Norm, Pascal, Fred, OG, Delon & Jakob were all young players became consistent rotation players under Casey. The only Nurse guy is Boucher, who isn't even young and 90% of what he brings is hustle and elite physical tools.
When you see 2 talented sophomores like TD & Thomas rotting on the bench, you have to wonder what's going on.
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inthepaint wrote: View PostI would start our 5 best players: Lowry/Fred/OG/Siakam/Boucher
Off the bench you need scoring and length, so I'd go with TD/Thomas/Norm/Yuta. I would also give Watson the chance stanley got to see what he can do with consistent minutes. He's a 6'7" wing this team could use, and crack the rotation.
Len/Baynes minutes are a waste imo, they're just a theoretical advantage vs Bulkier C's that often doesn't materialize on the court.
Give the backup C minutes to Pascal/OG and backfill the PF spot with Yuta.
If TD, Thomas and Pascal can share the court, they can open up each other's game because of optimized spacing. TD & Thomas have been under-utilized. With rhythm and 20 minutes a night they could give you 12-14 pts with reasonable defence every night, while also taking some pressure off Pascal (which Stanley doesn't do)
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golden wrote: View Post
What we used to do best was Draft, Develop and Trade.
The jury is still out on Nurse as a player development coach for young players. DD, JV, Ross, Norm, Pascal, Fred, OG, Delon & Jakob were all young players became consistent rotation players under Casey. The only Nurse guy is Boucher, who isn't even young and 90% of what he brings is hustle and elite physical tools.
When you see 2 talented sophomores like TD & Thomas rotting on the bench, you have to wonder what's going on.
Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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golden wrote: View Post
What we used to do best was Draft, Develop and Trade.
The jury is still out on Nurse as a player development coach for young players. DD, JV, Ross, Norm, Pascal, Fred, OG, Delon & Jakob were all young players became consistent rotation players under Casey. The only Nurse guy is Boucher, who isn't even young and 90% of what he brings is hustle and elite physical tools.
When you see 2 talented sophomores like TD & Thomas rotting on the bench, you have to wonder what's going on.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
I will not accept Casey as a good developmental coach after how they mishandled JV.
I mean Nurse platooned JV off the bench here, and he never saw any closing minutes. He hasn't busted out in Memphis or is used any differently. And he still can't defend the PnR, or in space. With Ross, he found his niche as a 6th man, which is the same as he was used here. Casey was right about him, too.
TD was solidly in the rotation last year, so I was hopeful for Nurse, but he seems to have shortened his leash on TD since the bubble. I don't get it. Thomas had only 1 bad game and now he's relegated to playing with 3rd stringers? WTF? He's probably top 5 in the NBA in pure 3-pt shooting skill. Surely Nurse can find a regular place for him in the rotation on a team that needs regular scoring and spacing.
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golden wrote: View Post
I'm the last person on this board who would defend Casey, but he was mostly right about JV. The game was moving away from slow-footed centers who also couldn't stretch the floor. But my point was more that at least with Casey, young players actually cracked the lineup with a consistent role. We haven't seen anybody do that under Nurse, except Boucher.
I mean Nurse platooned JV off the bench here, and he never saw any closing minutes. He hasn't busted out in Memphis or is used any differently. And he still can't defend the PnR, or in space. With Ross, he found his niche as a 6th man, which is the same as he was used here. Casey was right about him, too.
TD was solidly in the rotation last year, so I was hopeful for Nurse, but he seems to have shortened his leash on TD since the bubble. I don't get it. Thomas had only 1 bad game and now he's relegated to playing with 3rd stringers? WTF? He's probably top 5 in the NBA in pure 3-pt shooting skill. Surely Nurse can find a regular place for him in the rotation on a team that needs regular scoring and spacing.
Casey started Scola all year. I don't know if Nurse would have done that.
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planetmars wrote: View Post
Pascal and Fred were young under Nurse and got significant minutes. Pascal started. Fred was voted 3rd for 6MOY. They were Nurse guys. McCaw got a lot of burn and he's young. Nurse just plays favourites.. but you can be young and be a favourite. You don't have to be old.
Casey started Scola all year. I don't know if Nurse would have done that.
And the only reason Boucher is even in the rotation is because we lost Marc & Serge. No question, he'd still be getting yanked around and scrapping for minutes if those guys were still here.
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golden wrote: View Post
Your memory is a little foggy PM. The vaunted Bench Mob (Fred, Pascal, Delon, Jakob + CJ) and Fred's 6MOTY was 2018.... under Casey. And they all flamed out in the playoffs, which is why we hired Nurse. But the young guys got their first consistent minutes and a defined role under Casey. TD & Thomas can't even get or stay into the rotation for more than a few games.
And the only reason Boucher is even in the rotation is because we lost Marc & Serge. No question, he'd still be getting yanked around and scrapping for minutes if those guys were still here.
Still doesn't explain Nurse's love for McCaw though lol.
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golden wrote: View Post
I'm the last person on this board who would defend Casey, but he was mostly right about JV. The game was moving away from slow-footed centers who also couldn't stretch the floor. But my point was more that at least with Casey, young players actually cracked the lineup with a consistent role. We haven't seen anybody do that under Nurse, except Boucher.
I mean Nurse platooned JV off the bench here, and he never saw any closing minutes. He hasn't busted out in Memphis or is used any differently. And he still can't defend the PnR, or in space. With Ross, he found his niche as a 6th man, which is the same as he was used here. Casey was right about him, too.
TD was solidly in the rotation last year, so I was hopeful for Nurse, but he seems to have shortened his leash on TD since the bubble. I don't get it. Thomas had only 1 bad game and now he's relegated to playing with 3rd stringers? WTF? He's probably top 5 in the NBA in pure 3-pt shooting skill. Surely Nurse can find a regular place for him in the rotation on a team that needs regular scoring and spacing.
Maybe we overrating a guy who got let go by Lakers, travelled Europe before coming to NBA and a guy who went undrafted.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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golden wrote: View Post
What we used to do best was Draft, Develop and Trade.
The jury is still out on Nurse as a player development coach for young players. DD, JV, Ross, Norm, Pascal, Fred, OG, Delon & Jakob were all young players became consistent rotation players under Casey. The only Nurse guy is Boucher, who isn't even young and 90% of what he brings is hustle and elite physical tools.
When you see 2 talented sophomores like TD & Thomas rotting on the bench, you have to wonder what's going on.
Once he has a list of favourite players, if you're not on that list, your ability to play through mistakes and correct them (which is key in learning and developing anything), is eliminated. Meanwhile if you're on his list, you have a free pass to screw up indefinitely, way into the playoffs sometimes. The leash sizes are grossly different.
TD & Thomas (and maybe Watson) are poised to be solid Nba contributors if given rhythm and confidence. There's tons of untapped potential in all 3 (and yes, areas to work on of course), but Nurse has no patience for them, so unfortunately I can see another team buying low, giving them minutes, and reaping the value.
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