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  • The Claw Reborn
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    Shredder wrote: View Post

    Timmy's last championship was Kawhi's coming out party. They also had Parker and Manu.

    If we trade the core to get him, we are left with KAT and OG (whom I love, but is no Kawhi). KAT as a number 1 option hasn't worked for Minny. If it was a S&T for Lowry (which would never fly) I would do it, but to send out FVV, Siakam, and our Pick (which is probably the ask to get him) leaves us with KAT, OG and no other assets.
    My response was in the context of you stating that you don’t believed that a team based around a Player like KAT is ever going to win a Championship...why I said that it can be doable with Duncan as my reference point which was still fairly recent. But again definitely not equating him with Duncan. Obviously as you stated, the pieces around Duncan were more highly talented and no doubt future HoFers.

    You implied that you don’t see KAT as a number 1 option especially with his situation in Minny that has failed terribly. In that regard, you however would prefer to sign and trade Lowry to get him but leaving the core FVV and Siakam wherein neither of the two are no.1 options either.

    In addition, You and I are 100% would agree that move is not happening, no way Minny would give up KAT for a 35 yr old point guard in Lowry. So the only way to get him would be to give up 1 of Siakam or Van Vleet or even both in a multi-player package. I am sure that initial move would not stop Masai or Bobby leaving OG and KAT as the two core going forward but that is not bad for a start. Both are still within the age timeline and have a higher ceiling to grow together. I honestly don’t see that from both Van Vleet and Siakam as the duo being 28yrs old with still another tier to elevate their games. Arguably Siakam but not Van Vleet with his physical limitations.

    Maybe the tank commanders have good intentions...trading 1 of Van Vleet or Siakam or maybe both plus this upcoming draft pick to get a player like KAT.
    Last edited by The Claw Reborn; Tue Mar 30, 2021, 06:14 PM.

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  • Shredder
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
    I am not equating him with Duncan by all means but we are not that far removed from Timmy’s Championship years.

    Could still be doable. Minnesota obviously failed to surround him the necessary pieces to make him a center piece of a winning team.

    He is 25, OG is 23. Not bad of a big combo there.

    I liked KAT, he is a high character guy who Masai historically definitely may go for without question.

    He may also not mind playing north of the border
    Timmy's last championship was Kawhi's coming out party. They also had Parker and Manu.

    If we trade the core to get him, we are left with KAT and OG (whom I love, but is no Kawhi). KAT as a number 1 option hasn't worked for Minny. If it was a S&T for Lowry (which would never fly) I would do it, but to send out FVV, Siakam, and our Pick (which is probably the ask to get him) leaves us with KAT, OG and no other assets.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    I am not equating him with Duncan by all means but we are not that far removed from Timmy’s Championship years.

    Could still be doable. Minnesota obviously failed to surround him the necessary pieces to make him a center piece of a winning team.

    He is 25, OG is 23. Not bad of a big combo there.

    I liked KAT, he is a high character guy who Masai historically definitely may go for without question.

    He may also not mind playing north of the border

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  • Shredder
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    I don't think a team #1 option can be a C in todays game. KAT is a great player, but I don't think a team based around him is ever going to win a championship. Don't get me wrong, we need a C bad, but I wouldn't gut the team to get a top 5 C. I would be looking for a strong youth project.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
    The two teams that the Raptors should target in the offseason are:

    Indiana (Sabonis/ Turner/ Brogdon)
    Minnesota (KAT)

    What it would take to acquire one of their own top end talent in exchange of the two relatively aging core plus pieces and future picks.

    I really wanted to see how Nick Nurse can once again do with that.

    OG however remained as the untouchable IMO.


    I agree. Kat would be a BIG ask... I think you get Kat and you reset the entire core because it would take siakam picks and other things.. and if we hit in the top 5 I don't know if I wanna trade this years pick.


    Turner is gettable. Brogdon is possibly gettable. I think a Fred for Brogdon swap makes a ton of sense.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    The two teams that the Raptors should target in the offseason are:

    Indiana (Sabonis/ Turner/ Brogdon)
    Minnesota (KAT)

    What it would take to acquire one of their own top end talent in exchange of the two relatively aging core plus pieces and future picks.

    I really wanted to see how Nick Nurse can once again do with that.

    OG however remained as the untouchable IMO.



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  • KeonClark
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    Mapko wrote: View Post

    Lakers last year had a very strong personality (James) that can control a head case like Rondo. Do you see that strong personality on Clippers? I dont & thats why Ill be shocked if they get out of 2nd round.
    I put a couple bucks on the clippers to win it all at a decent number..that way if Kawhi wins the title, at least I can wipe my tears with 100 dollar bills

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  • Mapko
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    The Great One wrote: View Post

    I don't really listen to what other people say. I have my own opinion. I know what I saw from Rondo last year in the bubble. Rondo has another gear that he can go to in the playoffs. And all the Clippers really need from him is bring leadership and facilitate the offense, they don't need him to be Chris Paul.
    Lakers last year had a very strong personality (James) that can control a head case like Rondo. Do you see that strong personality on Clippers? I dont & thats why Ill be shocked if they get out of 2nd round.

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  • G__Deane
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    I get the impression that both Lowry and management preferred he stayed in Toronto but agreed that they would all accept a trade if it was to a good situation and got a good return for the organization. That left the Raptors in a position to establish a bottom line and stick to it, as opposed to a team like Houston where Oladipo wasn't staying and they needed to get something for him.

    I highly doubt that there were a lot of suitors for Lowry as he only made sense for a a select group of teams and only a few of those had the wherewithal to make anything happen.
    Yup, that's fair.

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  • slaw
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    Bobby Webster was just on the fan590 and shot down any romanticized notion that Kyle was in any negotiations or discussions in any way whatsoever on draft day. He said he shot him a text yesterday morning (specifically saying because it was his birthday) and that was it. He said it would be impossible to keep him up to speed as to what team was closer (regardless of it being anyone's "preferred" destination) on any sort of updating basis. I'm sure they told him they'd put him in the best situation if they could based on the offers but all they confirmed was they wanted to be the ones to reach him in the event of any deal reached, before some member of the media/mad tweeters did.

    The whole idea that they wouldn't move Kyle in a good trade if he didn't want to go or could choose only where he wanted to go or he was some big part of the discussions/negotiations on trade deadline day? Nahhhhhh.....

    That was it.
    Respect but no special treatment.
    Team first.
    I get the impression that both Lowry and management preferred he stayed in Toronto but agreed that they would all accept a trade if it was to a good situation and got a good return for the organization. That left the Raptors in a position to establish a bottom line and stick to it, as opposed to a team like Houston where Oladipo wasn't staying and they needed to get something for him.

    I highly doubt that there were a lot of suitors for Lowry as he only made sense for a a select group of teams and only a few of those had the wherewithal to make anything happen.

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  • G__Deane
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    Bobby Webster was just on the fan590 and shot down any romanticized notion that Kyle was in any negotiations or discussions in any way whatsoever on draft day. He said he shot him a text yesterday morning (specifically saying because it was his birthday) and that was it. He said it would be impossible to keep him up to speed as to what team was closer (regardless of it being anyone's "preferred" destination) on any sort of updating basis. I'm sure they told him they'd put him in the best situation if they could based on the offers but all they confirmed was they wanted to be the ones to reach him in the event of any deal reached, before some member of the media/mad tweeters did.

    The whole idea that they wouldn't move Kyle in a good trade if he didn't want to go or could choose only where he wanted to go or he was some big part of the discussions/negotiations on trade deadline day? Nahhhhhh.....

    That was it.
    Respect but no special treatment.
    Team first.

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  • chris
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    OK so you haven't watched Rondo this season?

    He's 34 now and falling off a fucking cliff, he sucks big time. Just objectively bad at everything. At least Lou Williams gives you reliable 3PT shooting. Rondo isn't giving you shit.

    If the Clippers win in the playoffs it will be because Kawhi went god mode, not because of anything Rondo is doing. The West is too tough for that and I expect they'll go down in round 2 of the playoffs.
    no one judges rondo on his regular season performance since he's fallen off a cliff several times now and come back as a monster in the playoffs after everyone assumed he was completely washed, including last year, with NO, and with chicago (before he got hurt).

    lou williams is the complete opposite, puts up big numbers in the regular season but destroys his team in the playoffs because he still plays defence like it's a pick up game

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  • G__Deane
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    Primer wrote: View Post
    Regarding the Lakers trade rumors. I highly doubt we were ever willing to accept any Lakers offer, whether it included THT or not. They were 100% a leverage play to add in another bidder to try and get Miami to fold on Herro or Philly to throw in picks.

    Apparently we could have gotten more for Lowry if we were willing to deal him to the fringe playoff teams but we didn't wanna do him dirty like that and let him pick the teams he was willing to go to. For Kyle I'm totally fine with that, he's earned a no trade clause even if we don't have it in the contract.
    First of all, I doubt that and it wasn't reported anywhere with credibility or otherwise that I saw. It as always Miami, Philly and lakers thrown in as a last minute distraction. But if there were deals for more return to a fringe team, then that's another mistake on Masai/Bobby's part. All things being equal, you do your best to send Kyle to a real contender but after that, the best deal for the team rules the day. Either they were also crap offers or you move him with thanks and a future standing O.

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  • Primer
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    Regarding the Lakers trade rumors. I highly doubt we were ever willing to accept any Lakers offer, whether it included THT or not. They were 100% a leverage play to add in another bidder to try and get Miami to fold on Herro or Philly to throw in picks.

    Apparently we could have gotten more for Lowry if we were willing to deal him to the fringe playoff teams but we didn't wanna do him dirty like that and let him pick the teams he was willing to go to. For Kyle I'm totally fine with that, he's earned a no trade clause even if we don't have it in the contract.

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  • Primer
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    The Great One wrote: View Post

    I don't really listen to what other people say. I have my own opinion. I know what I saw from Rondo last year in the bubble. Rondo has another gear that he can go to in the playoffs. And all the Clippers really need from him is bring leadership and facilitate the offense, they don't need him to be Chris Paul.
    OK so you haven't watched Rondo this season?

    He's 34 now and falling off a fucking cliff, he sucks big time. Just objectively bad at everything. At least Lou Williams gives you reliable 3PT shooting. Rondo isn't giving you shit.

    If the Clippers win in the playoffs it will be because Kawhi went god mode, not because of anything Rondo is doing. The West is too tough for that and I expect they'll go down in round 2 of the playoffs.

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