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  • G__Deane
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    Rudy Bargnani wrote: View Post

    Pineapple does not belong on a pizza
    Don't be an idiot.......oh wait, I agree with you

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  • The Great One
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    Rudy Bargnani wrote: View Post

    Pineapple does not belong on a pizza
    Hawaiian Pizza >>

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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    The Great One wrote: View Post

    Don't be scared to say what you believe in.
    Pineapple does not belong on a pizza

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  • The Great One
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    I was going to say "Nurse is going to try this lineup" but didn't want to take the criticism
    Don't be scared to say what you believe in.

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  • G__Deane
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    golden wrote: View Post

    So far, so good.
    I was going to say "Nurse is going to try this lineup" but didn't want to take the criticism

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  • golden
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    You think OG isn't going to start once healthy and Powell back to the bench?

    What would a lineup of Pascal, Norm, Boucher, Lowry (or FVV) and OG look like?
    So far, so good.

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  • can't teach wingspan
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Well, as fans we keep saying Masai/Bobby are wonder drafters in lower first and later round picks.
    Then we say picks are no good as there's no guarantees.

    No wonder you're a bit confused. Can't have it both ways ....
    Ah, I see the point you're making. That's fair.

    I have faith in our drafting capabilities, just zero interest in watching a tank season.

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  • A.I
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    You think OG isn't going to start once healthy and Powell back to the bench?

    What would a lineup of Pascal, Norm, Boucher, Lowry (or FVV) and OG look like?
    Nurse in one of his interviews said that the narrative that Norm only plays well when he is starting shouldn't be a thing and he needs to learn to play well regardless of if he is starting or not, which is true.

    Norm definitely makes for a better bench scorer than Fred would. Fred isn't a natural playmaker, no reason to force him to be one leading the bench. Fred plays off of Pascal getting doubled and Lowry's playmaking. Norm is a more natural scorer and better shot creator because he is taller and longer than Fred.

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  • Jclaw
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    Ummm....game day? 😬. I’m the only one who can’t start a thread.

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  • G__Deane
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    golden wrote: View Post

    And Nurse finally figured out (out of necessity) that Powell should have been the starting SG out of training camp last year and FVV should have been coming off the bench to develop his PG skills.
    You think OG isn't going to start once healthy and Powell back to the bench?

    What would a lineup of Pascal, Norm, Boucher, Lowry (or FVV) and OG look like?

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  • LJ2
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Is our player development still that good, though?

    Boucher is the only guy who has cracked the lineup with a defined role + stable minutes since Casey and Stackhouse left, and most of that is due to his physical tools, heart, hustle and work on his 3-pt shot. Even then, if Ibaka and Gasol stayed, Boucher would still be on the fringe, or would have simply left in free agency.

    Miller never amounted to anything. We developed RHJ to the point where he's right out of the league. Same with Oshae and Dewan - out of work. On the positive side, Davis' had a nice season last year and looked like he was going to be special. Same with Thomas, who is probably a top 5 shooter in this league. And McCaw got a sh*t ton of minutes

    This year, Davis' confidence looks totally shot and is regressing and while Thomas is running with the 4th stringers.

    Stanley had a 2-3 week stint and is now killing the offense of every bench unit he plays with.

    Bembry already had stellar defense and ball-skills before he got here, but he clearly worked on this 3-pt shot in the off-season, otherwise, he'd be RHJ part 2.

    Yuta has been a nice surprise, but again, that's almost all heart and hustle, like Boucher.

    Basically, we're developing retread, grinder types, which is great in small doses.... but you can't have a whole team of those guys. Especially if you're building around a core of non-alpha scorers like FVV/OG/Siakam.

    And Nurse finally figured out (out of necessity) that Powell should have been the starting SG out of training camp last year and FVV should have been coming off the bench to develop his PG skills.
    Well, I think you might be going a bit off topic here. The point I was replying to was another poster saying Raps should not be aiming to improve through the draft and should instead be looking to trades. The reason provided by the poster was a lot of lottery picks don't work out. I for one do think the Raps still have a great development program and maybe some of those lottery picks that didn't work out could have been better or much better going through our program vs. Minnesota's which was the example given.

    In the examples you've provided, and not saying they are not valid, many of the players haven't spent much time in the developmental program which the 905 are a big part of. Bembry, Yuta, haven't been with the organization very long, much less been "developed". The only benefit for them has been that they are in a better system and better coaching. Even Davis didn't have a chance to play with the 905. Boucher has and he's beaten out Baynes and Len...if not for his size he would be our starting C.

    Flynn is tearing it up with 905 right now. Nothing is guaranteed, but you give this organization a lottery pick(s) and I think the rate of success is greater than with most other organizations in the NBA.

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  • golden
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    It goes both ways. You can trade for a Hedo or DeMarre Carroll and for whatever reason it just doesn't work...they probably thought Baynes would be a good idea because of his skill set.

    Another aspect to consider regarding drafting players is, would KAT be the Kat we know today if the Raptors drafted him, or would he maybe be an MVP candidate? Our player development is second to none as proven by what they've done with the late and undrafted players we've had through the system.
    Is our player development still that good, though?

    Boucher is the only guy who has cracked the lineup with a defined role + stable minutes since Casey and Stackhouse left, and most of that is due to his physical tools, heart, hustle and work on his 3-pt shot. Even then, if Ibaka and Gasol stayed, Boucher would still be on the fringe, or would have simply left in free agency.

    Miller never amounted to anything. We developed RHJ to the point where he's right out of the league. Same with Oshae and Dewan - out of work. On the positive side, Davis' had a nice season last year and looked like he was going to be special. Same with Thomas, who is probably a top 5 shooter in this league. And McCaw got a sh*t ton of minutes

    This year, Davis' confidence looks totally shot and is regressing and while Thomas is running with the 4th stringers.

    Stanley had a 2-3 week stint and is now killing the offense of every bench unit he plays with.

    Bembry already had stellar defense and ball-skills before he got here, but he clearly worked on this 3-pt shot in the off-season, otherwise, he'd be RHJ part 2.

    Yuta has been a nice surprise, but again, that's almost all heart and hustle, like Boucher.

    Basically, we're developing retread, grinder types, which is great in small doses.... but you can't have a whole team of those guys. Especially if you're building around a core of non-alpha scorers like FVV/OG/Siakam.

    And Nurse finally figured out (out of necessity) that Powell should have been the starting SG out of training camp last year and FVV should have been coming off the bench to develop his PG skills.

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  • G__Deane
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    hey it's Game Day!!!

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  • LJ2
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    can't teach wingspan wrote: View Post

    I'm a bit confused, is it me or Masai trying to have it both ways?

    I think I've been pretty consistent: not a fan of tanking overall because high picks don't guarantee success, and I think the Twolves are an excellent case study of that with KAT (drafted #1), Edwards (drafted #1), and Russell (drafted #2). Hell, even Rubio was drafted #5.

    I'm all for improving the team, but I'd prefer getting around to improving instead of purposefully sucking on the hope of improving.
    It goes both ways. You can trade for a Hedo or DeMarre Carroll and for whatever reason it just doesn't work...they probably thought Baynes would be a good idea because of his skill set.

    Another aspect to consider regarding drafting players is, would KAT be the Kat we know today if the Raptors drafted him, or would he maybe be an MVP candidate? Our player development is second to none as proven by what they've done with the late and undrafted players we've had through the system.

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  • G__Deane
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    can't teach wingspan wrote: View Post

    I'm a bit confused, is it me or Masai trying to have it both ways?

    I think I've been pretty consistent: not a fan of tanking overall because high picks don't guarantee success, and I think the Twolves are an excellent case study of that with KAT (drafted #1), Edwards (drafted #1), and Russell (drafted #2). Hell, even Rubio was drafted #5.

    I'm all for improving the team, but I'd prefer getting around to improving instead of purposefully sucking on the hope of improving.
    Well, as fans we keep saying Masai/Bobby are wonder drafters in lower first and later round picks.
    Then we say picks are no good as there's no guarantees.

    No wonder you're a bit confused. Can't have it both ways ....

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