Do the Raptors Have Too Much Depth (Grantland article)

[ebrian]

I was saying this last year already, when people were debating who had the best bench. I basically said yes, we have a better #8-10 than most other teams, but most teams had better #1-3 guys than we had.

Of course, back then I also thought we would win about 30 games.

Looking at our roster now, I would say we have solid #6-9 players, better than most teams. However I do believe like the author suggests that sometimes bench isn't as important as a marquee player. Putting names to numbers, I would much prefer to say we had terrible options at #7-9 and also be able to say that DeRozan and Lowry make great 2nd and 3rd best players, if you catch my drift..

But this team has great chemistry. It's hard to mess with that. When we acquired Rudy Gay, we thought we were getting a new #1 and look where that got us. To mess with the chemistry now, you would have to be absolutely sure it'll make you a better team.

[Nilanka]

Too much depth only becomes a problem when players don't accept their roles. If you have 9 players who all feel they should be starting, that's a problem.

[Shirokin]

I'll get us back on track. We can only call ourselves "deep" if our bench actually produces, which I think it will. But we have to see if certain line ups work well against other NBA teams in actual games. Names are only names, some players will play at the same level as last year, some may get better and some may get worse.

As for if you can have too much depth, I don't think so (our back up center position is pretty mediocre right now anyway). The worst thing that can happen is to misuse line ups and certain match ups. For example you still need to balance out defense and offense. Probably can't have to many minutes of a Lowry, GV, Lou lineup.

[Demographic Shift]

gonna delete anything that isn't related to how deep the raptors are this season after THIS post

back on topic please

If another mod hasn't scrubbed this thread by the time I get home, I will take care of it

Please do scrub it clean. No further mention of the Great Beer Depth Incident is needed.

[thead]

gonna delete anything that isn't related to how deep the raptors are this season after THIS post

back on topic please

If another mod hasn't scrubbed this thread by the time I get home, I will take care of it

[chico]

OMG

He never mentioned drinking beer lmao.
Technically you can never have(own) too much beer, since you could sell it at a discount and make lots of money.
White Men Can't Jump just take your L, it wasn't an offensive comparison and you overreacted. Like it was pointed out above, you didn't even mention the raped in the ass comment and it was the same basis. I don't take offense to either but I'm saying if you take offense to one, be consistent.

Also, the Spurs comment by Leo is not true. Too much depth is not an issue if you're getting to the finals two years in a row. It's the reason Ray Allen was okay with coming off the bench in Miami. Wins=Player Morale. So you need to have a nice balance of Wins-Depth, if it sways too far towards depth and not enough wins, you'll have problems.

Exactly. Much pontificating over nothing. More below.

I didn't take offense to the comment, nor did I originally point out it was offensive in general, just false. Just pointed out the flaw in it. But I didn't like his attitude and the fact that he started making it personal. If someone is being offensive directly to me rather than trying to have a reasonable exchange, of course I'll respond.

See, I can at least appreciate your using rational thought to counter me. Something he didn't really give a shot. *And just for fun, you could still have too much beer. If you're unable to sell it you're taking a loss, since it's not free to begin with, which you could argue means you have too much (unless of course you have no problem absorbing that loss).

Not true. The first comment, yes, but after a simple question that was not the least bit offensive ("So you think you can have too much beer?"), the sermon of drunk driving and liver damage began.

Damn, as mentioned "too much beer" does not translate to drunk driving and liver damage. It wouldn't be difficult to translate it to numerous examples of POSSESSION (as in "have") of beer, which is the analogy appropriate to DEPTH on the team. It's a stockpile, as in you don't play your depth all at once, but you have it in reserve, and will eventually want/need it. I never get drunk on the shit, and I know many like me, but I can never have too much in stock, as there's nothing better to have on a hot summer evening when a few neighbours come over to sit on the deck and sip a few.

Ridiculous sermonizing, especially from someone who overlooks rape as an analogy. What, rape isn't damaging or serious enough? Or is it all based on the poster that submits it? Just wondering, because based on this exchange, the "asshole" name calling was misdirected, imo.

[Rapzilla]

This guy had too much beer...

[Bonus Jonas]

Lol this thread has made my hangover so much worse. I hate you all.

I still haven't found my keys.

Depth.

Ahahahaha

[Scraptor]

Lol this thread has made my hangover so much worse. I hate you all.

I still haven't found my keys.

Depth.

[white men can't jump]

He never mentioned drinking beer lmao.
Technically you can never have(own) too much beer, since you could sell it at a discount and make lots of money.
White Men Can't Jump just take your L, it wasn't an offensive comparison and you overreacted. Like it was pointed out above, you didn't even mention the raped in the ass comment and it was the same basis. I don't take offense to either but I'm saying if you take offense to one, be consistent.

Also, the Spurs comment by Leo is not true. Too much depth is not an issue if you're getting to the finals two years in a row. It's the reason Ray Allen was okay with coming off the bench in Miami. Wins=Player Morale. So you need to have a nice balance of Wins-Depth, if it sways too far towards depth and not enough wins, you'll have problems.

I didn't take offense to the comment, nor did I originally point out it was offensive in general, just false. Just pointed out the flaw in it. But I didn't like his attitude and the fact that he started making it personal. If someone is being offensive directly to me rather than trying to have a reasonable exchange, of course I'll respond.

See, I can at least appreciate your using rational thought to counter me. Something he didn't really give a shot. *And just for fun, you could still have too much beer. If you're unable to sell it you're taking a loss, since it's not free to begin with, which you could argue means you have too much (unless of course you have no problem absorbing that loss).

[Bonus Jonas]

He never mentioned drinking beer lmao.
Technically you can never have(own) too much beer, since you could sell it at a discount and make lots of money.
White Men Can't Jump just take your L, it wasn't an offensive comparison and you overreacted. Like it was pointed out above, you didn't even mention the raped in the ass comment and it was the same basis. I don't take offense to either but I'm saying if you take offense to one, be consistent.

Also, the Spurs comment by Leo is not true. Too much depth is not an issue if you're getting to the finals two years in a row. It's the reason Ray Allen was okay with coming off the bench in Miami. Wins=Player Morale. So you need to have a nice balance of Wins-Depth, if it sways too far towards depth and not enough wins, you'll have problems.

[white men can't jump]

You are the penultimate tightass. You could probably carry a dime between the cheeks of your ass from here to Montreal and not drop it.

Love your backpedaling and your close by calling me names. Whats next champ .. Nah Nah de Boo Boo ?

Perhaps you should change your name to something else as its utterly demeaning and insensitive to all the white men who can jump.
Ivan Ukhov - Gold Medalist 2012 Mens High Jump
Andrey Silnov - Gold Medalist 2008 Mens High Jump
Stefan Holm - Gold Medalist 2004 Mens High Jump

Again, all I said to start is it's not a great comparison, because it's not even true. You can definitely have too much beer. Thinking you can't doesn't mean you can't, it likely just means you're a binge drinker who thinks he can never have too much. Well I hope you never have to live with some awful consequences of that attitude. Hyperbole is one thing, but it's generally an exaggeration, not a flat out lie. You just seem to really have a problem with someone pointing out that what you said was kind of ignorant and can be quite insensitive. I don't know what your problem is, but go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. Just be ok with the fact that very few people will think you're funny or smart.

And just to remind you who started the personal attacks:

Your the same guy that got his underwear bunched up when I used political based compares... now your sensibilities are hurt by a reference to beer.

How about these then ...
You can't have too much money..
Too hot a girlfriend...
Too nice a car....
Too many friends...
Too much pitching ...
Too many quality defensemen..

and you definitely cannot have too much beer :-)

It never had anything to do with sensibilities, or "getting my underwear bunched up"...it had to do with you saying something flat out wrong. Then you started trying to demean me as if there's something wrong with me for pointing out the problem with what you said (again, rooted more in the facts about alcohol abuse than making a real moral judgment). And now I'm officially done with this.

[S.R.]

You are the penultimate tightass. You could probably carry a dime between the cheeks of your ass from here to Montreal and not drop it.

Love your backpedaling and your close by calling me names. Whats next champ .. Nah Nah de Boo Boo ?

Perhaps you should change your name to something else as its utterly demeaning and insensitive to all the white men who can jump.
Ivan Ukhov - Gold Medalist 2012 Mens High Jump
Andrey Silnov - Gold Medalist 2008 Mens High Jump
Stefan Holm - Gold Medalist 2004 Mens High Jump

Since "too much beer" elicited such enthusiastic commentary, I'm waiting for the "Joe Johnson just raped this team in the ass" comment a few posts up to explode into 7 pages of diatribe. It certainly should - I'm the last guy to P.C. anything, but rape is hardly a called for sports metaphor.

[Demographic Shift]

You don't have to choose hyperbole that is severely insensitive. For instance, in your laundry list of "things you can't have too much of", none of them could in any way be insulting or insensitive (and all easily accepted as accurate). You could have chosen any number of different metaphors to illustrate...yet you still pushed the beer comparison (which I simply pointed out might not be great, and is also false). And again, seemingly with the desire to prove you're right and there's nothing wrong at all with what you're saying just kept trying to justify it, when you could've just been like "joking around, don't worry about it". I don't know why. You seem to want to go out of your way to prove that you have a right to be an asshole. And you do. That doesn't mean you're not an asshole. And I'm well within my right to point it out. Asshole.

You are the penultimate tightass. You could probably carry a dime between the cheeks of your ass from here to Montreal and not drop it.

Love your backpedaling and your close by calling me names. Whats next champ .. Nah Nah de Boo Boo ?

Perhaps you should change your name to something else as its utterly demeaning and insensitive to all the white men who can jump.
Ivan Ukhov - Gold Medalist 2012 Mens High Jump
Andrey Silnov - Gold Medalist 2008 Mens High Jump
Stefan Holm - Gold Medalist 2004 Mens High Jump

[planetmars]

Just a note for the Monroe suggestion - he has no Bird Rights if he is traded. So ATL would still need to clear cap room to sign him in the offseason, and would only be able to offer 4 years like everyone else. In all likelihood, they may be trading for a one year rental if they target Monroe.

Monroe of course has to agree to any trade. If he agrees to a trade to Atlanta one can assume that he'd also be willing to resign there. Similar to how Cleveland was able to get Love (who's a free agent too next season).