Everything Gary Trent Jr.

[The Great One]

Name one player who does a very good job defending Harden.
He knows every trick in the book to fish for fouls.

I mean, you guys were calling Harden washed up just yesterday, no?

You guys creates all these silly narratives about these players like how Harden is washed up and how Trent is a good defender. Shouldn't a "good" defender like Trent be able to guard a "washed up" player like Harden?

Anyways, I agree with slaw. Harden on Trent. That's what created all the problems that spiralled. Trent couldn't guard him at all.

[DanH]

It was Harden on Trent. That's what created all the problems that spiralled. Harden is pretty much the type of high level, bigger wing that Trent can't guard.

Does Harden qualify as a big wing? He's shorter than Trent.

I think it's probably more accurate to say Trent just struggles to defend high level players. It's not really a size thing. He couldn't stick to Maxey either in this one.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Does Harden qualify as a big wing? He's shorter than Trent.

I think it's probably more accurate to say Trent just struggles to defend high level players. It's not really a size thing. He couldn't stick to Maxey either in this one.

no but it is super strong.


I think with Trent though its his lateral movements.

[Primer]

I mean, you guys were calling Harden washed up just yesterday, no?

You guys creates all these silly narratives about these players like how Harden is washed up and how Trent is a good defender. Shouldn't a "good" defender like Trent be able to guard a "washed up" player like Harden?

Anyways, I agree with slaw. Harden on Trent. That's what created all the problems that spiralled. Trent couldn't guard him at all.

Trent is really good at steals. That's where the defensive narrative came from. Unfortunately there is a lot more to defense than steals. Same with blocked shots. People get all excited about shot blockers but a lot of them are garbage defenders.

[KeonClark]

Trent is really good at steals. That's where the defensive narrative came from. Unfortunately there is a lot more to defense than steals. Same with blocked shots. People get all excited about shot blockers but a lot of them are garbage defenders.

I've said it before, Trent is one of the players you "notice", good or bad. Lowry is the opposite type of player, he does the little things that the average fan may not see. If you took away half of lowrys PPG he's still a starting PG. If you took away half of trents PPG, he's out of the nba, or a tweener.

[Primer]

I've said it before, Trent is one of the players you "notice", good or bad. Lowry is the opposite type of player, he does the little things that the average fan may not see. If you took away half of lowrys PPG he's still a starting PG. If you took away half of trents PPG, he's out of the nba, or a tweener.

A great defender doesn't need steals or blocks. He just makes sure his man doesn't get his spot or a good shot off. That doesn't show up on stat sheets and it's not flashy. So people rarely notice good defense.

[The Great One]

Trent is really good at steals. That's where the defensive narrative came from. Unfortunately there is a lot more to defense than steals. Same with blocked shots. People get all excited about shot blockers but a lot of them are garbage defenders.

Trent is good at steals because he gambles a lot on defense. But yes, just because you're one of the league leader in steals doesn't mean you're a great defender. Iverson led league in steals 3x in his career and I don't remember him being a good defensive player. I don't even know if he made any all nba defensive team.

[LJ2]

I've said it before, Trent is one of the players you "notice", good or bad. Lowry is the opposite type of player, he does the little things that the average fan may not see. If you took away half of lowrys PPG he's still a starting PG. If you took away half of trents PPG, he's out of the nba, or a tweener.

There are a lot of good NBA players that would be out of the league or close to it if you took away half of the their points. Hello Bradley Beal.

Trent definitely comes off as a specialist, but he has a lot of room to grow. Maybe I'm completely off with the comparison, but I see Trent as a JJ Redick type of player in a couple of years which I thought is exactly the type of role player you want to surround Barnes, Siakam and FVV with.

[KeonClark]

There are a lot of good NBA players that would be out of the league or close to it if you took away half of the their points. Hello Bradley Beal.

Trent definitely comes off as a specialist, but he has a lot of room to grow. Maybe I'm completely off with the comparison, but I see Trent as a JJ Redick type of player in a couple of years which I thought is exactly the type of role player you want to surround Barnes, Siakam and FVV with.

I'd say that's a pretty fair comparison and thats probably who he is already. JJ Redick.

[The Great One]

I'd say that's a pretty fair comparison and thats probably who he is already. JJ Redick.

Not a good comparison. 1. Trent is nowhere near as good a shooter as Redick. 2. You know what you're going to get from Redick every night. He's going to give you 15 a night. He's not a guy who's going to give you 25 one night and 6 the next night. 3. He's not as smart as Redick.

My player comp for Trent is Buddy Hield and Evan Fournier.

[KeonClark]

Not a good comparison. 1. Trent is nowhere near as good a shooter as Redick. 2. You know what you're going to get from Redick every night. He's going to give you 15 a night. He's not a guy who's going to give you 25 one night and 6 the next night. 3. He's not as smart as Redick.

My player comp for Trent is Buddy Hield and Evan Fournier.

OK, but the Redick you're describing was 28 in his 6th season. Gary is 22 and already had better PPG than Redicks career high.

People act like Trent is 26. Where was Norm at 22? Kawhi? Pascal? Demar? I'll answer that for you: they were all worse players than GTJ currently is.

[G__Deane]

That's why I keep repeating this:
OG 24
GT Jr just turned 23
Achiuwa 22
Scottie 20

You either take advantage of Pascal and Fred this/next year (both just turned 28) or future signings/drafts/trades should revolve around this younger core with Fred traded and Pascal taking a secondary role.

[The Great One]

OK, but the Redick you're describing was 28 in his 6th season. Gary is 22 and already had better PPG than Redicks career high.

People act like Trent is 26. Where was Norm at 22? Kawhi? Pascal? Demar? I'll answer that for you: they were all worse players than GTJ currently is.

Ok I'll bite. Trent is 23 and is in his 4th year in the league. 22 yr old Norman Powell was a rookie. His 4th year was in 2019. He was a huge part of the championship team. I'll take 2019 Powell over this version of Trent.

Siakam in his 3rd year was the 2nd option on a championship team. His 4th year he was an all star.

Kawhi was named the finals MVP in his 3rd year in the league.

DeRozan was very raw out of college. He averaged 18ppg his 4th year in the league. He made his 1st all star appearance his 5th year and was the 1st option on an up and coming team. Can Trent ever be. 1st option? no chance. 2nd option? zero. 3rd option? nope.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Not a good comparison. 1. Trent is nowhere near as good a shooter as Redick. 2. You know what you're going to get from Redick every night. He's going to give you 15 a night. He's not a guy who's going to give you 25 one night and 6 the next night. 3. He's not as smart as Redick.

My player comp for Trent is Buddy Hield and Evan Fournier.

which is not a great starting level guy... but Hield is also a VERY VERY VERY VERY good shooter all respect to him.

[KeonClark]

Ok I'll bite. Trent is 23 and is in his 4th year in the league. 22 yr old Norman Powell was a rookie. His 4th year was in 2019. He was a huge part of the championship team. I'll take 2019 Powell over this version of Trent.

Siakam in his 3rd year was the 2nd option on a championship team. His 4th year he was an all star.

Kawhi was named the finals MVP in his 3rd year in the league.

DeRozan was very raw out of college. He averaged 18ppg his 4th year in the league. He made his 1st all star appearance his 5th year and was the 1st option on an up and coming team. Can Trent ever be. 1st option? no chance. 2nd option? zero. 3rd option? nope.

OK fine, we can go by season over age. Neither Demar or Kawhi had made an all star game thru 4 seasons. Norm was nowhere near who is now. That's my point, not saying GTJ will ever be them, but to call him a finished product is beyond silly. Far more likely he's got room to grow.