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  • #76
    You win with battle-tested veteran depth in the NBA and we just don't have any. All the guys we're bringing off the bench, even Bembry, are untested youngsters. Our core is young but battle-tested, and that will serve us well on the other side of this thing.
    Last edited by SkywalkerAC; Thu Apr 1, 2021, 01:17 PM.

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    • #77
      SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
      You win with battle-tested veteran depth in the NBA and we just don't have any. All the guys we're bringing off the bench, even Bembry, are untested youngsters. Our core is young but battle-tested, and that will serve us well on the other side of this thing.
      We do have a battle-tested veteran guy on the roster, who is an NBA champion with another NBA Finals appearance and yet another conference finals appearance. He's also fresh off a career season offensively last year with the Suns, helping to finally make that franchise respectable again. That sounds like a guy we could really use.

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      • #78
        KeonClark wrote: View Post

        No, never said that. But I do believe philly, or Milwaukee, or Utah would be back beating the g league thunder 2 weeks after their outbreak


        which is my point. Even at our peak with everything going right were not a contender. So lets reset this a little bit. Unless you guys wanna be the new spurs east for the next 5 years.
        Until Masai changes his stance there is no resetting.

        I agree that THIS current rosters peak is not good enough to contend, but we know this is a very incomplete team right now. Also keep in mind other than the year with Kawhi, the Raps have always been a team that was good due to the sum of its parts. Above average players at all the positions and a deep bench which wouldl overwhelm most teams over the course of a game.Trent is young and could develop into an above average SG, Hood, Flynn and draft pick could make for a great bench. Masai definitely has some work to do though to bring in a good C and a back up.

        The effects of living out of a hotel room, playing away from home, COVID, and compensating for a roster that is incomplete has taken a toll on the players. The season is a write off and I hope they don't make the play in so they can get home and rest. Mentally they look beaten up.

        I fully expect this team to be back near the top of the East next season.

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        • #79
          golden wrote: View Post

          We started Luis Scola and Lowry/DD carried that team to 56 wins. Luis Scola. You're only as strong as your weakest link. That was just as bad as playing Baynes, IMO. Scola is one of the few players to have a negative net rating when playing with peak Lowry, IIRC. But they powered through and still won.

          And let's get real about Bismack. He's been a big negative player for most of his career, which is again a huge credit to Lowry/DD that they were one of the only teammates to turn Biz into a net positive contributor. We were playing 4 on 5 with Biz, and Lowry/DD still put up big numbers. A lot of our feelings for Biz is colored by that Cavs ECF series, but he's a very inconsistent career journeyman with severe limitations. He's only been in the top 20 in rebounds one season in his entire career.

          When you get paid big money, you have to carry & elevate lesser players.... that's why you're eating up a huge chunk of the salary cap. Ownership is betting on you to disproportionately carry your weight. But the problem is that our new core got paid on their previous body of work as role players being carried. I'm not piling on like everybody else, because I've been saying that for a long time now.
          They had Scola in 2015-2016.. but they also had JV that year. They were the 16th best rebounding team that year.. not great, but mediocre is better than what we have now. We are dead last this year.

          Miami Heat were shitty rebounders and won it all with Lebron/Wade and Bosh.. but they were playing in an era when 3pt shots weren't falling as much as they are now. That Heat team would struggle in this era where guys can grab boards, and dish it out for an easy 3 / look. Can't think of another team that had success without rebounding.

          Scola played a lot that year, but so did McCaw last year (who averaged more mpg, but in less games since he got hurt). Sometimes its not about the weakest link but about the composition of the roster.

          We don't have a viable center. It's a simple game, and we are missing a big piece of what helps a team win.

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          • #80
            Rebounding plays a big role for our offense. Because when we get a stop we secure a board and we like to run, attack early in transition. But with this team rebounding is so bad, a lot of guys have to stay home and make sure we get a rebound, which slows our offense.
            Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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            • #81
              MixxAOR wrote: View Post
              Rebounding plays a big role for our offense. Because when we get a stop we secure a board and we like to run, attack early in transition. But with this team rebounding is so bad, a lot of guys have to stay home and make sure we get a rebound, which slows our offense.
              And that's a fool's gold offense, because transition is the first thing that gets taken away in the playoffs. We saw transition buckets grind to a halt in the Celtics series. Pascal got a max salary largely based on a year where he was the 3rd option and a big chunk of his points came on transition.

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              • #82
                planetmars wrote: View Post

                They had Scola in 2015-2016.. but they also had JV that year. They were the 16th best rebounding team that year.. not great, but mediocre is better than what we have now. We are dead last this year.

                Miami Heat were shitty rebounders and won it all with Lebron/Wade and Bosh.. but they were playing in an era when 3pt shots weren't falling as much as they are now. That Heat team would struggle in this era where guys can grab boards, and dish it out for an easy 3 / look. Can't think of another team that had success without rebounding.

                Scola played a lot that year, but so did McCaw last year (who averaged more mpg, but in less games since he got hurt). Sometimes its not about the weakest link but about the composition of the roster.

                We don't have a viable center. It's a simple game, and we are missing a big piece of what helps a team win.
                Why is Len doing so well with the Wizards then? Also, McCaw never started 76 games, like Scola.

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                • #83
                  golden wrote: View Post

                  Why is Len doing so well with the Wizards then? Also, McCaw never started 76 games, like Scola.
                  The concept that if a player does well outside of the Raptors then it means there is something wrong with the Raptors is ridiculous. Raps run what has already been proven as a championship caliber system. Happy for Len, Christian Wood, DJ Augustin etc. that they found success elsewhere, and all contributing to winning teams running the best schemes. They couldn't cut it with the Raps, simple as that.

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                  • #84
                    golden wrote: View Post

                    Why is Len doing so well with the Wizards then? Also, McCaw never started 76 games, like Scola.
                    He is their only center and is getting minutes. I wish he was back in Toronto. Scola started but averaged about 21mpg. McCaw averaged 25.

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                    • #85
                      golden wrote: View Post

                      And that's a fool's gold offense, because transition is the first thing that gets taken away in the playoffs. We saw transition buckets grind to a halt in the Celtics series. Pascal got a max salary largely based on a year where he was the 3rd option and a big chunk of his points came on transition.
                      Lakers won a title last year.. and they still scored plenty in transition. It's not always taken away.

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                      • #86
                        golden wrote: View Post

                        Why is Len doing so well with the Wizards then? Also, McCaw never started 76 games, like Scola.
                        Len was released PROBABLY due to the locker room, team chemistry, off-the-court issues, that the Raptors didn't officially release the specific reason. Yes, he was a "Cancer"

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                        • #87
                          Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

                          Len was released PROBABLY due to the locker room, team chemistry, off-the-court issues, that the Raptors didn't officially release the specific reason. Yes, he was a "Cancer"
                          I mean he was released after he said there was tension in locker room. So pretty feasable.
                          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • #88
                            golden wrote: View Post

                            Why is Len doing so well with the Wizards then? Also, McCaw never started 76 games, like Scola.
                            define well. they still losing
                            Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                            • #89
                              planetmars wrote: View Post

                              Lakers won a title last year.. and they still scored plenty in transition. It's not always taken away.
                              Lebron James should need no explanation.

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                              • #90
                                golden wrote: View Post

                                And that's a fool's gold offense, because transition is the first thing that gets taken away in the playoffs. We saw transition buckets grind to a halt in the Celtics series. Pascal got a max salary largely based on a year where he was the 3rd option and a big chunk of his points came on transition.
                                You can't live with only half-court offense as well.
                                Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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