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  • #31
    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    Shoot the 3 a little is correct, I think I can remember every 3 he took as a Raptor . Definitely would like to see them bring someone in at C that can be played in crunch time minutes. Someone with size but quick enough and smart enough to defend at a high level.
    Well, JV largely dominated the crunch time minutes he did play when here, so there you go. But if you want to go away from a rim protector/rebounder to better defend small, they will probably always prefer to just go with OG and Pascal as the bigs.
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      • #33
        but how you get this legend back from Memphis.....

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        • #34
          TomAmnot wrote: View Post
          but how you get this legend back from Memphis.....
          Lifetime free pass for Ice Fishing on Kempenfelt Bay.
          Free Uber rides back and forth from T.O. and an unlimited open account at any burger joint between the ACC and Barrie.


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          • #35
            TomAmnot wrote: View Post
            but how you get this legend back from Memphis.....
            Giving him the championship ring he deserves would be a good start.

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            • #36
              golden wrote: View Post

              Giving him the championship ring he deserves would be a good start.

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              • #37
                C===> Birch, Gillespie, UFA or MLE
                PF ====> Pascal, Boucher, Yuta, SRP
                SF=====> Annunoby, FRP, Watson
                SG ====> Freddy, GTrent Jr., Norm comes back
                PG ====> Lowry comes back, Flynn

                Cap doctors...can this be done ?
                There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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                • #38
                  Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                  C===> Birch, Gillespie, UFA or MLE
                  PF ====> Pascal, Boucher, Yuta, SRP
                  SF=====> Annunoby, FRP, Watson
                  SG ====> Freddy, GTrent Jr., Norm comes back
                  PG ====> Lowry comes back, Flynn

                  Cap doctors...can this be done ?
                  Not realistically, no.

                  Assume next year's cap is around 112 million or so. (It was projected at 115 a couple years ago but that was pre-pandemic.) All of the guys with salary on the books you want to bring back (Pascal, OG, Fred, Flynn, Yuta, Watson, Boucher and Bembry) will combine for just over $81.5 million in salary; that leaves you with approximately $30.5 million to work with. Our first round pick has a cap hold - right now we're in eighth place, so let's say that's where we draft, and that's a cap hold of $4.1 million, we're down to $26.4 million.

                  GTJ's cap hold is $1.2 million - you can sign him last and give him his bag, but now you've only got $25.2 million left to work with, and Lowry most likely wants $25 million a year, which is literally all the cap room we have left. Say you get him on a discount - $20 million. That leaves you $5.2 million left to sign Khem Birch, and now that's it for cap room, so there's no room for Norm, you have to use over-cap exceptions like the MLE or vet/rookie salaries to fill out the team.

                  The whole point of trading Norm away for GTJ was to get a new Norm who is A) cheaper and B) doesn't kill our cap space this summer. There's simply no reason to bring him back.

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                  • #39
                    magoon wrote: View Post

                    Not realistically, no.

                    Assume next year's cap is around 112 million or so. (It was projected at 115 a couple years ago but that was pre-pandemic.) All of the guys with salary on the books you want to bring back (Pascal, OG, Fred, Flynn, Yuta, Watson, Boucher and Bembry) will combine for just over $81.5 million in salary; that leaves you with approximately $30.5 million to work with. Our first round pick has a cap hold - right now we're in eighth place, so let's say that's where we draft, and that's a cap hold of $4.1 million, we're down to $26.4 million.

                    GTJ's cap hold is $1.2 million - you can sign him last and give him his bag, but now you've only got $25.2 million left to work with, and Lowry most likely wants $25 million a year, which is literally all the cap room we have left. Say you get him on a discount - $20 million. That leaves you $5.2 million left to sign Khem Birch, and now that's it for cap room, so there's no room for Norm, you have to use over-cap exceptions like the MLE or vet/rookie salaries to fill out the team.

                    The whole point of trading Norm away for GTJ was to get a new Norm who is A) cheaper and B) doesn't kill our cap space this summer. There's simply no reason to bring him back.
                    GTJ's cap hold a) is currently 2.1M, and b) will likely be 4.7M, as he's certainly going to meet the starter criteria unless he stops playing like, right now.

                    But that's largely irrelevant - if you are re-signing Lowry, you are not using cap space. Even if you get him at 20M, you might as well stay over the cap and use the MLE.

                    So you are right, the only way we could sign Norm back is with the MLE (if we keep Lowry), which won't be nearly enough.

                    Now, if Lowry walks, you could use your cap room to sign Norm, maybe keep Birch with the room MLE, then re-sign Trent with his rights. But a better use of your cap room is likely to target an upgrade at C. Especially with Norm seeming to need to start to be able to produce consistently.
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                    • #40
                      Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                      Lifetime free pass for Ice Fishing on Kempenfelt Bay.
                      Free Uber rides back and forth from T.O. and an unlimited open account at any burger joint between the ACC and Barrie.

                      Embroidered initials on his own medicine ball and a free private locker for it at Wasaga Beach.
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                      • #41
                        Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                        C===> Birch, Gillespie, UFA or MLE
                        PF ====> Pascal, Boucher, Yuta, SRP
                        SF=====> Annunoby, FRP, Watson
                        SG ====> Freddy, GTrent Jr., Norm comes back
                        PG ====> Lowry comes back, Flynn

                        Cap doctors...can this be done ?
                        I think Norm & GTJ both need more minutes than that. Norm's already too good to be that deep and GTJ needs run to keep developing.
                        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                        • #42
                          Ex-Raptor coming back most likely won't happen guys.
                          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • #43
                            If Lowry comes back, we lose our cap space.. so we can only use our exceptions.. which would be a mid-level (about $9.2M) and our bi-annual exception (around $3.6M) for free agents (which includes Norm now). Serge/Harrell last year were bought with mid-level dollars. So it's not inconceivable we could get a starting caliber center for that much. Like Drummond for example. I think Holmes goes for more.. the Kings could use their mid-level to bring him back for example, and we'd want to out bid that.

                            If Lowry doesn't come back.. realistically we have about $16-18M (depends on where our draft pick falls).. add another $7M if you want to waive Boucher's contract. Norm is expected to make about $18M a year. If we do a S&T with Lowry and contract that comes back with him would eat into that cap as well. If we use our cap space on a player, the only exception we get is the room mid-level which is about $4.7M as well. We will not be able to use the bi-annual if we used our cap space to sign a player. So we could lose Lowry, bring back Norm and use the $4.7M on Birch. I'd prefer not to do that, but that's an option.


                            We also have some flexibility with trades. Hood's and Baynes' contracts can be guaranteed, and then traded with a pick for example to get a player. Although with Hood we have to decide a day after the lottery (not the draft, but the lottery). For Baynes we have 2 days into the moratorium (or the start of the NBA season) to decide. If we pick up their options but don't trade them, we also lose our cap space obviously. I doubt we bring back Hood. Baynes' is going to depend on what happens 2 days into free agency with regards to Lowry's situation I suspect. If Lowry does come back, we may keep Baynes to trade him as an expiring contract. But that could backfire too as Baynes has been awful and would be a net negative contract even as an expiring.

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                            • #44
                              With the emergence of trent fred is expendable. Trade him to a team with cap space for a pick(s) and sign lowry. A three year with lowry fits perfect with the development of flynn

                              then get someone like reddick to back up trent

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                              • #45
                                Yuri Gagarin wrote: View Post
                                With the emergence of trent fred is expendable. Trade him to a team with cap space for a pick(s) and sign lowry. A three year with lowry fits perfect with the development of flynn

                                then get someone like reddick to back up trent
                                Trent doesn't do the same stuff as Fred at all, besides shooting.
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