'21-'22 Roster Construction

[Primer]

i think it might have been vivek ranadive and his vision of "basketball 3.0" when the kings proudly touted their transition to positionless basketball in the summer of 2014.

'course they fucked that all up by proceeding to select cauley-stein, papagiannis, giles, and bagley in consecutive drafts 'cause the kangz are gonna kang, but if you only read the media blitz in 2014 you might've thought they were on to something

The Warriors championship teams started it and proved it works. Definitely not the shit kings.

[chris]

The Warriors championship teams started it and proved it works. Definitely not the shit kings.

i know that's where it actually started on the court, and specifically not until kerr got there and started playing draymond i) in general, over kevin love and ii) at the 5 in the death lineup, but the kings were definitely talking the hell out of positionless basketball the summer before kerr took over the warriors

[golden]

i know that's where it actually started on the court, and specifically not until kerr got there and started playing draymond i) in general, over kevin love and ii) at the 5 in the death lineup, but the kings were definitely talking the hell out of positionless basketball the summer before kerr took over the warriors

Lebron/Bosh/Wade/Battier vs. OKC was kind of an earlier glimpse of positionless-ness; especially incorporating Lebron as the big ballhandler / PG.

[chris]

Lebron/Bosh/Wade/Battier vs. OKC was kind of an earlier glimpse of positionless-ness; especially incorporating Lebron as the big ballhandler / PG.

yeah that's definitely true, although i think bosh was still considered by many to be more of a traditional big at the time based on his time in toronto, despite being much more perimeter oriented in miami.

but the kings are the team i'd point to in terms of the concept really entering the collective basketball-following consciousness as they very loudly and publicly embraced it in the media that summer, even though they proceeded to fail spectacularly in the execution.

[The Great One]

When everyone's healthy, here's the starting lineup i'd like to see:

Precious
Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

OG playing the 2 shouldn't be a problem, he played a lot of 2 last year.

Dragon to me is not a good fit playing with FVV. He struggled the last 2 games playing off the ball. I think he only took 1 shot last night? he was very ineffective. I'd like to see him lead the 2nd unit along with Trent. He's probably going to start the season as the starting 2 though because of the Siakam injury.

[S.R.]

"Positionless basketball" is also a logical outcome of the overall skill development in basketball in general. You can have genuine triple threats at all five positions now, why not do this? Teams used to have a PG initiate all the offence because they literally had one guy whose handle and passing were reliable enough to trust with those duties. I grew up as a big in basketball where coaches would literally scream at & bench bigs for putting the ball on the floor anywhere outside of the post, or for putting up shots outside of 15 feet. And they did that for good reason - a lot of bigs couldn't dribble or shoot. Your little guy did that.

Not the case any more, and I half joke but a bunch of our talk about positions 1-5 is increasingly meaningless. It doesn't matter. You need size & athleticism match ups on defence, but on offence you can do whatever tf you want to do based on the skill sets of the five guys you have on the floor.

[GLF]

When everyone's healthy, here's the starting lineup i'd like to see:

Precious
Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

OG playing the 2 shouldn't be a problem, he played a lot of 2 last year.

Dragon to me is not a good fit playing with FVV. He struggled the last 2 games playing off the ball. I think he only took 1 shot last night? he was very ineffective. I'd like to see him lead the 2nd unit along with Trent. He's probably going to start the season as the starting 2 though because of the Siakam injury.

I like this. And then our bench to me should be either:

Dragic (when he gets traded then Malachi)
Gary
Svi or Yuta
Boucher
Khem or Precious (But for your example Khem)

OR (I would really like it to be):

Dragic
Svi
Yuta
Boucher
Khem or Precious

And only because I’m not loving Gary right now but yea they would never do this after paying him this offseason.

With the injuries I would go:

Fred
Gary (b/c for some reason he plays better starting and I feel he needs to play alongside better players or he does too much)
OG
Scottie
Precious or Khem (But I feel for me Khem because Gary is already tunnel vision so playing Precious who is also tunnel vision in the same lineup is a lot. Khem showed last season he can actually make plays out of the PnR).

Bench:

Dragic
Svi
Yuta
Champagnie
Precious or Khem

You could also do:

Malachi
Dragic
Svi
Yuta
Precious or Khem

[golden]

When everyone's healthy, here's the starting lineup i'd like to see:

Precious
Siakam
Barnes
OG
FVV

OG playing the 2 shouldn't be a problem, he played a lot of 2 last year.

Dragon to me is not a good fit playing with FVV. He struggled the last 2 games playing off the ball. I think he only took 1 shot last night? he was very ineffective. I'd like to see him lead the 2nd unit along with Trent. He's probably going to start the season as the starting 2 though because of the Siakam injury.

Totally agree. What is likely going to happen is that we will build a starting lineup that maximizes FVV's strengths and minimizes his weaknesses as key priority - think 6MOTY Bench Mob year.

FVV => FVV
Delon => Scottie
CJ Miles => OG
Siakam => Siakam
Jakob => Precious

Also doesn't make sense to rely too much on Dragic, if he's going to be gone by the trade deadline.

[KeonClark]

Totally agree. What is likely going to happen is that we will build a starting lineup that maximizes FVV's strengths and minimizes his weaknesses as key priority - think 6MOTY Bench Mob year.

FVV => FVV
Delon => Scottie
CJ Miles => OG
Siakam => Siakam
Jakob => Precious

Also doesn't make sense to rely too much on Dragic, if he's going to be gone by the trade deadline.

None of those players are anything like the guy beside them though, except FVV => FVV and Siakam => Siakam.

[golden]

None of those players are anything like the guy beside them though, except FVV => FVV and Siakam => Siakam.

I know… they’re all better. That’s why that’s a good choice for a starting lineup that will help cover FVV’s weaknesses. I mean even FVV and Siakam are a lot better. We’re talking about chemistry here.

[LJ2]

Totally agree. What is likely going to happen is that we will build a starting lineup that maximizes FVV's strengths and minimizes his weaknesses as key priority - think 6MOTY Bench Mob year.

FVV => FVV
Delon => Scottie
CJ Miles => OG
Siakam => Siakam
Jakob => Precious

Also doesn't make sense to rely too much on Dragic, if he's going to be gone by the trade deadline.

Why do you think they will try to maximize FVV's strength's and minimize his weaknesses, specifically? They're not building the team around FVV. This team more than most has has quite a bit of equality at the top between Siakam, FVV, OG (this season) and soon Barnes. If there is one guy they try to maximize it's Siakam because he's thought of as the best player.

[golden]

Why do you think they will try to maximize FVV's strength's and minimize his weaknesses, specifically? They're not building the team around FVV. This team more than most has has quite a bit of equality at the top between Siakam, FVV, OG (this season) and soon Barnes. If there is one guy they try to maximize it's Siakam because he's thought of as the best player.

Because the organization loves Fred's leadership qualities & intangibles. He's been groomed as the logical successor to Lowry for a long time now. Siakam was rumored to be on the trade block and I think they were listening to offers.

[grindhouse]

I said it in another thread but it should be here, there is a changing of the guard.

barnes and pascal are the future, I don’t care what anyone says I will die on my hill OG style wise is not a fit if he is trying to expand his role.

nick nurse is going to give him opportunities but if I were Bobby / Masai I am looking to move him. The Lakers were really good at this, nick van exel, Eddie Jones were still in their prime and got moved to make way for Derek fisher and Kobe Bryant.

lakers were “less talented “ but were a better team

OG and Fred are talented boarder line defensive team all star players but my eyes don’t see a fit style wise.

I would rather get banton, Barnes,Yuta, pascal out there together and grow then watch our vets lead us into a lottery pick.

we have the assets to go get a Myles turner or (insert rim protector). And yes I am saying this after 2 preseason games cause I already know how Fred and OG play

[The Great One]

I said it in another thread but it should be here, there is a changing of the guard.

barnes and pascal are the future, I don’t care what anyone says I will die on my hill OG style wise is not a fit if he is trying to expand his role.

nick nurse is going to give him opportunities but if I were Bobby / Masai I am looking to move him. The Lakers were really good at this, nick van exel, Eddie Jones were still in their prime and got moved to make way for Derek fisher and Kobe Bryant.

lakers were “less talented “ but were a better team

OG and Fred are talented boarder line defensive team all star players but my eyes don’t see a fit style wise.

I would rather get banton, Barnes,Yuta, pascal out there together and grow then watch our vets lead us into a lottery pick.

we have the assets to go get a Myles turner or (insert rim protector). And yes I am saying this after 2 preseason games cause I already know how Fred and OG play

Man relax. It's 2 preseason games lol.

[LJ2]

Because the organization loves Fred's leadership qualities & intangibles. He's been groomed as the logical successor to Lowry for a long time now. Siakam was rumored to be on the trade block and I think they were listening to offers.

I think you might be reaching on this one. They aren't building around FVV as the one centre piece of this roster and Raps listen to trade offers for all their players. Nobody is untouchable.

Replacing Lowry as the point guard doesn't make FVV the face of the franchise any more than Poeltl replacing Duncan on the Spurs makes him the centre piece of that franchise.