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GAME #66 - Toronto Raptors 927-38) vs Los Angeles Clippers (43-22) Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - 10:00PM ET

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Looks like the medical staff screwed up the first MRI and found a problem with the second MRI on Fred. Reading this article, it’s clear that we are not erring on the side of caution with FVV.

    https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/...day-hip-injury

    And this still doesn’t explain why we’re running Pascal into the ground to win meaningless games. He’s played the last 8 games including 2 consecutive blocks of 3 games in 4 nights, with heavy minutes.
    "There was a stretch where we just wanted to get under control and let it heal properly. Getting back out there, get back out there for an Orlando game, and try to figure it out. So I'm working on it, I maintain it every day. I don't think it's anything serious, but it's definitely been a nuisance."
    "So there were some things that I was concerned about but I don't think it's going to be anything major, long-term. I think it's just something to keep an eye on."
    VanVleet's initial MRI after the injury wasn't too concerning, but a second MRI found some issues
    Totally normal. Sometimes you don't see everything on first scan. The fact that they did two MRI already should prove to you that they care.

    We are not running Pascal into the ground. His total minutes are fine on a year. And with wear and tear it's the total minutes that matter.

    And they are not rushing OG back and Lowry got rest after scoring 37. They are cautious.
    Last edited by MixxAOR; Wed May 5, 2021, 11:29 PM.

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  • golden
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    We are not doctors to even begin talking about that. You don't have MRIs or any info on their injuries. So you can't assume any of that stuff.
    Looks like the medical staff screwed up the first MRI and found a problem with the second MRI on Fred. Reading this article, it’s clear that we are not erring on the side of caution with FVV.

    https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/...day-hip-injury

    And this still doesn’t explain why we’re running Pascal into the ground to win meaningless games. He’s played the last 8 games including 2 consecutive blocks of 3 games in 4 nights, with heavy minutes.

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  • S.R.
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    GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post
    Sam Mitchell noted in the post game, if you watch that drive by Pascal, instead of Birch sticking to the wing, he cut straight into the lane, which made it a much more difficult pass for Pascal to safely execute, even though on first glance it looks like Khem is wide open. In Sam’s view, and it makes sense to me watching it again, if Khem had the presence of mind to stay wider, it would’ve made the defender have to choose between the two of them and would’ve had a better chance for a positive result.

    These are things they learn from more time playing together. Also Khem expanding his role beyond just playing under the basket...
    I think so too. But ultimately that moment of indecision leading to an offensive foul still falls on Siakam as the ball handler. Just got to be quicker and confident processing the play.

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  • golden
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    If Pascal really needs a shooting coach then the only one worth a damn is Chip Engelland.

    If he needs to help a brilliant self-promoter make more money then he should definitely phone up Hanlen. He'll send him some vidoe, talk to him on the phone and have his marketing team post a workout video to his instagram to make Pascal look good.
    For pure shooting, sure Chip Engelland is nice with the work he did with Kawhi and Patty Mills, but you're showing that you haven't followed the NBA in like 6-7 years. He hasn't done anything with the Spurs starting backcourt of DeRozan or DeJounte Murray from what I can see.

    Not sure where you are getting your info that Drew Hanlen is all-fluff promo videos and no substance. His NBA clients are getting major results and that's all that matters:

    Beal: all-star, NBA scoring leader
    Embiid: MVP candidate (likely runner up)
    Lavine: all-star, 25ppg alpha/closer, MIP candidate
    Clarkson: likely 6MOTY
    Tatum: all-star, 25ppg alpha/closer
    RJ Barrett: MIP candidate

    Those guys all have the technique and polish in the areas that Pascal needs to work on, which is why working with Hanlen would make sense to me.

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  • planetmars
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    Pascal doesn't need a shooting coach. He needs to play more in Toronto.

    Just looking at his splits (with regards to 3pt shooting).

    In 2018-2019.. he shot 47.1% at home, and 27.3% on the road.
    In 2019-2020 (including bubble games because I'm lazy).. he shot 38.9% at home, and 33.3% on the road.
    In 2020-2021 he has shot 25.8% at home (Tampa) and 34.5% on the road.


    As for his handles.. I think they are fine. He averaged 2.3 turnovers a game this year, down from 2.5 last year. Although his usage dropped from 28.1% to 26.0%. Pascal's biggest concern to me his is inability to perform in the clutch. But that can also be pretty fluky.

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Not prioritizing wins and choosing health means shutting key players down for long stretches to allow full healing and recovery, like OKC is doing with SGA. The opposite of prioritizing health is shuttling partially recovered players in and out of the lineup, if the injury happens to feel better at game-time. That's a recipe to lock in a chronic injury.
    We are not doctors to even begin talking about that. You don't have MRIs or any info on their injuries. So you can't assume any of that stuff.

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  • slaw
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Pascal needs to work on at least 3 things in the off-season:

    - Tighten up the handle, ala Drew Hanlen clients (Beal, Tatum, Lavine, Clarkson, Barrett, etc....).
    - Bulk up and strengthen his core/base, so he can absorb contact & maintain balance/control
    - Improve his 3-pt shot & overall shooting (i.e. work with Hanlen)

    Rico Hines was useful, but that isn't cutting it for the next level of individual skill development where Pascal needs to be as a max player.
    If Pascal really needs a shooting coach then the only one worth a damn is Chip Engelland.

    If he needs to help a brilliant self-promoter make more money then he should definitely phone up Hanlen. He'll send him some vidoe, talk to him on the phone and have his marketing team post a workout video to his instagram to make Pascal look good.

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  • golden
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    Yuri Gagarin wrote: View Post
    Pascal aint gonna turn into a smooth operator with reps. Hed have to have a total overhaul on his style which is so helter skelter. He constantly spins with a high dribble and his fadeaways suck
    Pascal needs to work on at least 3 things in the off-season:

    - Tighten up the handle, ala Drew Hanlen clients (Beal, Tatum, Lavine, Clarkson, Barrett, etc....).
    - Bulk up and strengthen his core/base, so he can absorb contact & maintain balance/control
    - Improve his 3-pt shot & overall shooting (i.e. work with Hanlen)

    Rico Hines was useful, but that isn't cutting it for the next level of individual skill development where Pascal needs to be as a max player.

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  • golden
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    They can't be perfect but they don't care? And it's a myth? They care more than most teams. Most franchises right now would be playing all of the available guys all the minutes to make playoffs. Raptors obviously are not prioritizing the wins and choose health.
    Not prioritizing wins and choosing health means shutting key players down for long stretches to allow full healing and recovery, like OKC is doing with SGA. The opposite of prioritizing health is shuttling partially recovered players in and out of the lineup, if the injury happens to feel better at game-time. That's a recipe to lock in a chronic injury.

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  • G__Deane
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    Yuri Gagarin wrote: View Post
    Pascal aint gonna turn into a smooth operator with reps. Hed have to have a total overhaul on his style which is so helter skelter. He constantly spins with a high dribble and his fadeaways suck
    The pick and pop was kinda new and worked early though

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  • MixxAOR
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    Yuri Gagarin wrote: View Post
    Pascal aint gonna turn into a smooth operator with reps. Hed have to have a total overhaul on his style which is so helter skelter. He constantly spins with a high dribble and his fadeaways suck
    I think the solution is just to have the ball less in his hands. Unfortunately with roster contruction right now doesnt have anybody better other than Lowry
    Last edited by MixxAOR; Wed May 5, 2021, 04:24 PM.

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  • Yuri Gagarin
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    Pascal aint gonna turn into a smooth operator with reps. Hed have to have a total overhaul on his style which is so helter skelter. He constantly spins with a high dribble and his fadeaways suck

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  • A.I
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    Kawhi is a prime example of the staff taking care of their players. They sat him whenever he needed it throughout the 2019 season and played him heavy minutes whenever they needed him to.

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  • MixxAOR
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    They can't be perfect but they don't care? And it's a myth? They care more than most teams. Most franchises right now would be playing all of the available guys all the minutes to make playoffs. Raptors obviously are not prioritizing the wins and choose health.

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  • A.I
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    golden wrote: View Post

    FVV himself said that his hip injury is a day-to-day situation that flares up from time-to-time. The prudent thing would be to just shut him down for the season or else you could end up with an IT situation. But instead, we bring him back and then immediately play him 40+ minutes? That's going from zero to 100mph.

    And Pascal averaging 40MPG over 3 games in 4 nights, all on the road, with a short-handed roster, is taking care of your players?

    Just a few weeks ago we were talking about those guys + OG still suffering from Covid after-effects. Even when we have a full roster, those guys have heavy workloads on both ends of the court... especially with our aggressive D.
    You answered your own questions.

    It flares up from time-to-time, so he sits when it is bothering him. He sat the Nuggets game, played against the Jazz, sat against the Lakers and played against the Clippers.

    Pascal has played a lot of minutes because the roster is short handed, especially at the PF spot and especially when OG and Boucher are out.

    And you're nitpicking and brought up only 2 players. What about Kyle, OG, Trent and so on?
    Last edited by A.I; Wed May 5, 2021, 03:52 PM.

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