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Jabari Smith would be a nice get for any of these four bottom feeders this season:
Houston:
Sengun
Smith
Green
KPJ
OKC:
Smith
Dort
Giddey
SGA
Orlando:
Smith
Wagner
Suggs
WCJ/ Bamba/ Isaac - ??? (iffy who they consider as part of their future core)
Detroit:
Smith
Stewart
Cade
of the four teams, I like Jabari Smith’s fit with Houston and Orlando depending on who is the current big they rid of
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Jclaw wrote: View Post
Yeah...someone was talking the other day saying the top five rooks look like Mobley, Scottie, Cade, Wagner and Giddey. I remember noting that Suggs didn't even make the list. Didn't even think about Green
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
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Primer wrote: View Post
Call me crazy but I think it's 100% necessary to always have some guys in their primes on your NBA team. Young guys don't get better only playing with other young inexperienced guys. Also their primes will last 5 years, so even if it takes 3 years for the others to catch up Pascal and FVV will still be in their primes ready to bring home another title.
Philadelphia was filled with very good young players but without proper mentorship achieved nothing.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
There's the probable max extension for Barnes, and raises for the young core to consider down the road. The way Fred has been playing he's not going to sign for $20M per on his next deal. Siakam won't get another max, but it'll be lucrative.
Then there is the matter of whether you can win a championship with this core or not. If we max out as a 50 win team then one or both of the older core are who you would trade for the final piece(s).
My point here is that it's one core right now, but when you look down the road it looks a lot like these guys may not compete for a title together.
You also can't just keep punting and punting and punting the can along the road and hope that the team will some how jell and get it together. so the moves to move back I haven't really heard a solid argument in favor. Most teams have a number of guys just coming off or on their rookie scale deals.
I do think there will be a decision that will eventually have to be made between fred and pascal but not necessarily. Also does that decision have to be done now?
You need a mix of young and old players in most situations to truly win the title. UNLESS you are able to cobble together a super team at the right time. Miami is a good example where everything aligned but that is rare and as we saw... a team like THAT or any super team of that nature is very difficult to keep together. Financially its difficult and chemistry wise its also difficult.
Patience is key. Again though this is another reason why we should not be tanking this year. It would be a waste of a year and then you would essentially have two guys who you would have to max out.
either way its hard to judge Siakam's next deal today in terms of how lucrative because by then there will be some new tv deal in place.
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Primer wrote: View Post
Call me crazy but I think it's 100% necessary to always have some guys in their primes on your NBA team. Young guys don't get better only playing with other young inexperienced guys. Also their primes will last 5 years, so even if it takes 3 years for the others to catch up Pascal and FVV will still be in their primes ready to bring home another title.
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Primer wrote: View Post
Call me crazy but I think it's 100% necessary to always have some guys in their primes on your NBA team. Young guys don't get better only playing with other young inexperienced guys. Also their primes will last 5 years, so even if it takes 3 years for the others to catch up Pascal and FVV will still be in their primes ready to bring home another title.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
It's not a matter of FVV and Siakam being old, it's a matter of timeline. Those guys are in their primes now and able to compete at a high level or for a title, but the rest of the team is not. It's going to be 3-4 years before the rest of the roster catch up. From the outside looking in, it looks an awful lot like management has not committed to winning a title right now with FVV and Siakam as the teams best players, or why else would they have surrounded them with such a young group? Even our end of bench guys are super young and the only vet has been sent home.
There's the probable max extension for Barnes, and raises for the young core to consider down the road. The way Fred has been playing he's not going to sign for $20M per on his next deal. Siakam won't get another max, but it'll be lucrative.
Then there is the matter of whether you can win a championship with this core or not. If we max out as a 50 win team then one or both of the older core are who you would trade for the final piece(s).
My point here is that it's one core right now, but when you look down the road it looks a lot like these guys may not compete for a title together.
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A lot of it depends how good Barnes gets when he is 24 or 25. Will he be a high usage star/superstar? If so, then I think Pascal and Fred as a 2nd/3rd option will work on a contending team. Of course you'll have to figure out the Center spot and the bench by then.
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Primer wrote: View Post
I'd say only Barnes is untouchable.
I also consider Trent part of the core, all 5 starters are core players.
Our "old" players are only 27, no reason they can't be starters for the next 5 years. I don't look at it as 2 cores.
There's the probable max extension for Barnes, and raises for the young core to consider down the road. The way Fred has been playing he's not going to sign for $20M per on his next deal. Siakam won't get another max, but it'll be lucrative.
Then there is the matter of whether you can win a championship with this core or not. If we max out as a 50 win team then one or both of the older core are who you would trade for the final piece(s).
My point here is that it's one core right now, but when you look down the road it looks a lot like these guys may not compete for a title together.
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Primer wrote: View Post
I'd say only Barnes is untouchable.
I also consider Trent part of the core, all 5 starters are core players.
Our "old" players are only 27, no reason they can't be starters for the next 5 years. I don't look at it as 2 cores.
It's also really helpful to contend while Scottie and ideally another key contributor are still on a rookie contracts, like Pascal & OG were.
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Primer wrote: View Post
I'd say only Barnes is untouchable.
I also consider Trent part of the core, all 5 starters are core players.
Our "old" players are only 27, no reason they can't be starters for the next 5 years. I don't look at it as 2 cores.
Also most of the trade suggestions have been for people who fit dab smack in the middle of those age ranges. Again as scottie develops the team will just get better and better. It allows us to develop and go for it. I do not see any reason to purposefully tank especially given that the true tankers have so many picks locked up already over the next decade. I also think that strategy is risky because you could make a move to tank and then become so bad that you alienate your top-line talented prospects like Barnes or even OG. At the end of the day the majority of NBA players who remotely like the game want to win. At some point, you gotta be moderately competitive. I don't think taking a step back would help us in any way beyond pushing our 23/24 timeline back two years at least.
Something to seriously consider moving forward.
Also if you go for a win now move and you are serious you would need to make a move that would consolidate assets at the top line to get A GUY. I don't see many avenues available. Beal hasn't officially asked out and likely won't to maintain his leverage. Lillard just wants to get paid. Also unless you are giving up one of your untouchable guys or near untouchable guys you aren't going to be getting a guy like lillard or beal. Kat is a maybe but again you are making a massive gamble and are basically giving up any and all assets you have currently and future assets as well. It is not the smartest move.
I think people are afraid of treadmilling but don't understand that you don't go from bust to boom right away or vice versa. We got lucky with that 4th overall pick. We have enough young talented players and we have guys who we will likely draft with middling draft picks who will at the very worst likely solidify our bench. I think given that you have both young and older (yet still young) talent nothing wrong with seeing it through for a year. If this year shows you they are so far away from anything in the 23/24 season then you make your move then. I still wouldn't necessarily make a move backwards I would try then to get a guy like KAT and pair him with Barnes and OG. OR that would be a great time to try to throw assets together to get Shai.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
there are two groups. OG fits in both timelines. Either way though the core is kind of a core 4. OG, Siakam, Barnes, FVV.
The tradeability of these players in terms of who is close to untouchable likely is something like:
Barnes>OG
Siakam/Fred next tier down
Theye would want a good amount of assets back in a Siakam or Fred trade but they aren't untouchable. OG isn't untouchable but close.
I also consider Trent part of the core, all 5 starters are core players.
Our "old" players are only 27, no reason they can't be starters for the next 5 years. I don't look at it as 2 cores.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Really then who makes up the future core of this roster other than Barnes and OG? Do you think the Raps will pivot in the next couple of seasons and put a roster around Siakam and FVV which can contend for a championship? The absence of vets on this roster would indicate the team has committed to a youth movement/rebuild, so that's hard to picture.
Granted rebuilding doesn't mean Trent and Precious will make the final cut, but the team is certainly investing a lot of play time into those two. Would be a shame if they are doing that in players they don't believe will be there long term.
The tradeability of these players in terms of who is close to untouchable likely is something like:
Barnes>OG
Siakam/Fred next tier down
Theye would want a good amount of assets back in a Siakam or Fred trade but they aren't untouchable. OG isn't untouchable but close.
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