Everything Scottie Barnes

[Jclaw]

Did we have Zach Lowe on our list?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...rds-selections

[chris]

Did we have Zach Lowe on our list?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...rds-selections

he had mobley all year long, and was still publicly leaning mobley in recent weeks when it was pretty obvious scottie had pulled ahead. nice to see him come around at the end, but as one of the most influential voices in the national media, i hope his support for mobley didn't influence other voters who focus less on the league as a whole

[chris]

thanks....i stand corrected....just bad luck for scottie bcz if they announce this on friday imo he wins teh roy...i tihnk wining the rom two times to evans one wouldve sealed the deal...again...thanks for the research

i'm not sure how much those awards are likely to sway voters. i would hope not too much, as josh giddey won it four times.

i think the local media members who have votes who are primarily focused on their own markets are more likely to be influenced by the national media discourse in the weeks leading up to the vote

[TrueTorontoFan]

Someone made a spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...KfpQ/htmlview#

It contains the award race results so far. I recreated the key thing if you don't want to click and see who voted for who so far.

Player	1st place votes	2nd place votes	3rd place votes	Total Points
Barnes	12	9	1	88
Mobley	8	7	2	63
Cade	3	0	14	29
-	-	-	-	-
Totals				180

That puts scottie first overall thus far and with a lead. Few people are putting cade #1 because even by the numbers overall he loses the argument when you factor in his usage rate vs scottie AND mobleys. With scottie usually edging out in that argument. Then when you look at impact and impact on winning its undeniable that its scottie.

[gambler]

i'm not sure how much those awards are likely to sway voters. i would hope not too much, as josh giddey won it four times.

i think the local media members who have votes who are primarily focused on their own markets are more likely to be influenced by the national media discourse in the weeks leading up to the vote

agreed...but in a nuetral market teh 2-1 could in all likelihood be the determing factor in swaying a vote....its jsut garbage when you break down everything...its not a question....scottie is teh guy you would build a team around not cade....in todays nba its about versatility ...wing players...imo if mobely was +200 i still would not have bet him....its a very bad decision if he wins...borderline robbery

[G__Deane]

Someone made a spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...KfpQ/htmlview#

It contains the award race results so far. I recreated the key thing if you don't want to click and see who voted for who so far.

Player	1st place votes	2nd place votes	3rd place votes	Total Points
Barnes	12	9	1	88
Mobley	8	7	2	63
Cade	3	0	14	29
-	-	-	-	-
Totals				180

That puts scottie first overall thus far and with a lead. Few people are putting cade #1 because even by the numbers overall he loses the argument when you factor in his usage rate vs scottie AND mobleys. With scottie usually edging out in that argument. Then when you look at impact and impact on winning its undeniable that its scottie.

At one point before it became a two player race, I thought second place votes for Scotty might make the difference. But looks good so far without it.

[GOLDBLUM]

i'm not sure how much those awards are likely to sway voters. i would hope not too much, as josh giddey won it four times.

That portion of your argument doesn't hold water for me. Not this season, at least. Nobody who has a vote, unless they live in OKC, is voting for Giddey. Those 4 wins are meaningless in the context of this converdsation. Everybody and anybody knows the real race was in the east alone. And in that regard, wins count out here.

I'm with gambler, that if they'd been able to give the award a day sooner, or have the vote another day later, it certainly might've helped sway voters to make the right decision. It's so tight by so many metrics, so the fact that in the end the NBA was able to recognize, despite an impressive late season showing by Cade, even then, that Scottie has been the best/most deserving player this last month and a half. That very well could've sealed the deal and convinced those on the fence, or weighing other factors.

The good news is he's coming outta the gates well ... hopefully he won't even need it. Still a lot of votes to count yet though, and a very close call.

[G__Deane]

That portion of your argument doesn't hold water for me. Not this season, at least. Nobody who has a vote, unless they live in OKC, is voting for Giddey. Those 4 wins are meaningless in the context of this converdsation. Everybody and anybody knows the real race was in the east alone. And in that regard, wins count out here.

I'm with gambler, that if they'd been able to give the award a day sooner, or have the vote another day later, it certainly might've helped sway voters to make the right decision. It's so tight by so many metrics, so the fact that in the end the NBA was able to recognize, despite an impressive late season showing by Cade, even then, that Scottie has been the best/most deserving player this last month and a half. That very well could've sealed the deal and convinced those on the fence, or weighing other factors.

The good news is he's coming outta the gates well ... hopefully he won't even need it. Still a lot of votes to count yet though, and a very close call.

I may be wrong but I don't read that as Chris saying anyone is voting for Giddey.

[GOLDBLUM]

I may be wrong but I don't read that as Chris saying anyone is voting for Giddey.

He's saying Rookie of the month wins shouldn't be factored into decision making for ROTY... citing Giddy having 4 wins as a reason why.

I'm saying, yeah, Giddey's overall wins shouldn't play any kind of factor cause 'common sense' .... But Scottie winning 2 to Mobley/Cade's 1 -- especially when Scottie won it on the home stretch of a tight, tight ROTY race... Scottie's 2 wins in the midst of the east should definitely be a factor.

[The Great One]

Someone made a spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...KfpQ/htmlview#

It contains the award race results so far. I recreated the key thing if you don't want to click and see who voted for who so far.

Player	1st place votes	2nd place votes	3rd place votes	Total Points
Barnes	12	9	1	88
Mobley	8	7	2	63
Cade	3	0	14	29
-	-	-	-	-
Totals				180

That puts scottie first overall thus far and with a lead. Few people are putting cade #1 because even by the numbers overall he loses the argument when you factor in his usage rate vs scottie AND mobleys. With scottie usually edging out in that argument. Then when you look at impact and impact on winning its undeniable that its scottie.

Is this legit?

[Dvdvideo]

I think it would be nice if he won in terms of confidence, one less reason to doubt himself as a true star. (Not that I think he has so far......but who knows as a rookie in the playoffs) Of course there is the risk of trying to overplay to expectations, but he hasn't done that either.

[G__Deane]

I think it would be nice if he won in terms of confidence, one less reason to doubt himself as a true star. (Not that I think he has so far......but who knows as a rookie in the playoffs) Of course there is the risk of trying to overplay to expectations, but he hasn't done that either.

Or missing out on it put a Lowry-sized chip on his shoulder and he settles for a Championship ring instead.

[chris]

He's saying Rookie of the month wins shouldn't be factored into decision making for ROTY... citing Giddy having 4 wins as a reason why.

I'm saying, yeah, Giddey's overall wins shouldn't play any kind of factor cause 'common sense' .... But Scottie winning 2 to Mobley/Cade's 1 -- especially when Scottie won it on the home stretch of a tight, tight ROTY race... Scottie's 2 wins in the midst of the east should definitely be a factor.

to be clear, i'm not stating what should or shouldn't be considered, only what i'm guessing other voters who don't cover the whole league might take into consideration. or more specifically, what i would take into consideration if i were them.

like, if i were a hawks beat writer who only considers the other 29 teams 2 to 4 times a year when the hawks play them, i would take in a range of opinions of national media members who get paid to cover the league as whole (assuming i didn't have time to do a deep dive on every candidate, although i hope any voter does do some amount of their own research).

i would not have the last ROTM result as any sort of tie breaker, because the ROY is an annual award (ie. if cade won the last two you still have to consider his horrid start) and you have to consider the contexts of the ROTM awards (ie. the west crop was weaker so giddey won 4 times).

but that's just me. you and the gambler could very well be right

[Dvdvideo]

Or missing out on it put a Lowry-sized chip on his shoulder and he settles for a Championship ring instead.

Oh thats a nice silver lining, that works for me!

[planetmars]

Is this legit?

There were 99 voters for ROY last year. This is just a sampling of guys (23 voters) that went public with their votes already, and someone on Reddit is tallying up those early votes now.