Everything Scottie Barnes

[The Claw Reborn]

From here on out….there is no choice but to wait until this is his team and has full control of the wheel. Probably nights that he will be on auto pilot because the majority of the shots will have to be funneled to VanVleet who is aiming for a whopping raise.

Scottie will definitely have his moments within each games when VanVleet is off the floor resting but Nick Nurse will still go back to his comfort zone, his son VanVleet.

Masai this past deadline chose to fix his villainous reputation of NOT trading so called “face of the franchise”.

He should have fucking traded Scottie/ OG/ GTJ and a boatload of picks then for KD in this past offseason if that was his intention all along.

Just so stupid anyway you look at it but it is what is.

Full development of Scottie may have to wait.

[iblastoff]

And they are about to waste him.
#overhaulFO

waste him? wtf are you even talking about

[Kagemusha]

waste him? wtf are you even talking about

Sorry bro.
Caffeine OD.

I just fear the thought of Scottie's team asking out if they feel that he is not being utilized here properly.

[The Claw Reborn]

Sorry bro.
Caffeine OD.

I just fear the thought of Scottie's team asking out if they feel that he is not being utilized here properly.

If they keep VanVleet for 4 more years with Nick Nurse as his surrogate….just flag this hot take because it might be useful down the road…your fear of him asking out maybe sooner than later.

[The Great One]

Sorry bro.
Caffeine OD.

Lmao

[JawsGT]

I don't think he'll reach his full potential playing behind Fred and pascal.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I don't think he'll reach his full potential playing behind Fred and pascal.

well behind both? no... behind pascal or along side pascal perhaps yes

[JawsGT]

well behind both? no... behind pascal or along side pascal perhaps yes

I'm not so sure with Jak in the mix. One of them would have to become a good 3pt shooter.

[LJ2]

What is Scotties full potential? I'd be happy if he puts up J. Kidd type of stats. Don't think he's going to be a 25 pt a night type guy.

[chris]

well behind both? no... behind pascal or along side pascal perhaps yes

pascal's gotta go most i think.

i've made fun of the thunder mercilessly on here for a couple years now as i thought they took the easy way out, and had a shitload of assets from the PG trade already before they decided to let CP3 and shroeder go to purposefully lose games for a few years. thought they could have their cake and eat it too, so to speak, competing in the west while developing young talent. did not respect the route they chose

well, they're in pretty unbelievable shape now going forward and the biggest reason, bigger than the shitload of assets they have on cheap contracts or the even bigger shitload of picks they have in the future, is that they have a young bonafide superstar player. and i don't think he gets there if he kept sharing the backcourt with CP3 and schroeder.

not suggesting a thunder-level tear down but i do think we need to rip the band-aid off and put the ball in scottie's hands, where he's looked by far the best in his young career, and pascal is the biggest impediment to that. love pascal but he wants to be a top 5 player and will be gunning for a supermax even more next year when he doesn't make all-NBA this season (which he's not), which will just be another year of not maximizing scottie's development

everyone else on this team can look pretty good in a supporting role to scottie i think. and if they don't want to get in line they can be next out the door.

[TrueTorontoFan]

pascal's gotta go most i think.

i've made fun of the thunder mercilessly on here for a couple years now as i thought they took the easy way out, and had a shitload of assets from the PG trade already before they decided to let CP3 and shroeder go to purposefully lose games for a few years. thought they could have their cake and eat it too, so to speak, competing in the west while developing young talent. did not respect the route they chose

well, they're in pretty unbelievable shape now going forward and the biggest reason, bigger than the shitload of assets they have on cheap contracts or the even bigger shitload of picks they have in the future, is that they have a young bonafide superstar player. and i don't think he gets there if he kept sharing the backcourt with CP3 and schroeder.

not suggesting a thunder-level tear down but i do think we need to rip the band-aid off and put the ball in scottie's hands, where he's looked by far the best in his young career, and pascal is the biggest impediment to that. love pascal but he wants to be a top 5 player and will be gunning for a supermax even more next year when he doesn't make all-NBA this season (which he's not), which will just be another year of not maximizing scottie's development

everyone else on this team can look pretty good in a supporting role to scottie i think. and if they don't want to get in line they can be next out the door.

well for starers fvv dont wanna be scotties number 2. Secondly nothing is wrong with wanting to be a top 5 player or having aspirations.. barnes said he wanted to be all defence this year.... hasnt done much in that department. I think we need a new offensive system more shooters either way, and try to put the ball in his hands without giving up pascal first. and og aint the answer offensively so dont try to sell me on that.

[JawsGT]

What is Scotties full potential? I'd be happy if he puts up J. Kidd type of stats. Don't think he's going to be a 25 pt a night type guy.

He regularly scores in double digits in the 4th, I think 25ppg is possible. Mind you, he is a pass first type, so he wants to get the team going which might limit his scoring. In his prime, I fully expect something like 25, 8, and 10 if he is the primary ballhandler.

[WJF]

Am I the only one that does not see Scottie as a point guard? He is a point forward just like Pascal. Others that come to mind are Lamar Odem, Chris Webber, and Boris Diaw. I mention these guys as they were all point power forwards. Barnes is not the T-Mac, Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill type.

NBA offenses have evolved since the guys I mentioned played and I thin Scottie would put up far better assist numbers than those guys did. But I do not see Scottie playing a full time point guard role like Magic did for many seasons. Hell, even Magic took a few seasons in the NBA before he was given the full time starting gig.

[JawsGT]

pascal's gotta go most i think.

i've made fun of the thunder mercilessly on here for a couple years now as i thought they took the easy way out, and had a shitload of assets from the PG trade already before they decided to let CP3 and shroeder go to purposefully lose games for a few years. thought they could have their cake and eat it too, so to speak, competing in the west while developing young talent. did not respect the route they chose

well, they're in pretty unbelievable shape now going forward and the biggest reason, bigger than the shitload of assets they have on cheap contracts or the even bigger shitload of picks they have in the future, is that they have a young bonafide superstar player. and i don't think he gets there if he kept sharing the backcourt with CP3 and schroeder.

not suggesting a thunder-level tear down but i do think we need to rip the band-aid off and put the ball in scottie's hands, where he's looked by far the best in his young career, and pascal is the biggest impediment to that. love pascal but he wants to be a top 5 player and will be gunning for a supermax even more next year when he doesn't make all-NBA this season (which he's not), which will just be another year of not maximizing scottie's development

everyone else on this team can look pretty good in a supporting role to scottie i think. and if they don't want to get in line they can be next out the door.

I only see pascal as being a detriment due to potential spacing issues while Poeltl is on the floor. The team and scottie will need another scorer regardless of how good he becomes, and pascal provides that in spades. Fred, however, would be great if he was playing primarily off ball and not making 30+ mil aav. Of course, Fred isn't going to defer to scottie and wants the fat bag. Maybe if he had the bag he'd accept the role, but then they would be grossly overpaying him for that role. But honestly, I don't see Fred ever relinquishing some of his responsibility and role as a primary creator to scottie. Pascal, imo, doesn't need to move over for scottie, so to speak, because he is that good at near all-nba level in his prime. They can coexist just fine if they share the floor with 3 spacers. I don't see that happening either, with the likelihood Poeltl will be resigned long term to start. So my stance at the moment is move both Fred and pascal in the offseason, resign Trent, unleash scottie as the guy and let Gary provide scoring support. Find a couple shooters to fill out the roster and see how Scottie develops.

[JawsGT]

Am I the only one that does not see Scottie as a point guard? He is a point forward just like Pascal. Others that come to mind are Lamar Odem, Chris Webber, and Boris Diaw. I mention these guys as they were all point power forwards. Barnes is not the T-Mac, Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill type.

NBA offenses have evolved since the guys I mentioned played and I thin Scottie would put up far better assist numbers than those guys did. But I do not see Scottie playing a full time point guard role like Magic did for many seasons. Hell, even Magic took a few seasons in the NBA before he was given the full time starting gig.

Point guard, point forward...it's almost irrelevant in today's league. Point is all that matters. You need a primary scorer (pascal, not a point forward or point anything), a ball handler (fred), secondary creation (scottie), shooters (og and gary), and a screen setter (jak) if you want to run PnR. We haven't had the right screen setter or ball handler to run effective PnR recently. We now have the screen setter, but still lack a good PnR partner to pair with him. I'm not sure if Barnes and Jak can make that work, traditionally the play has involved bigs and smalls to help create space and mismatches that can be attacked by ball handler or roller.

IMO, the raps need to unleash scottie and build similar to Milwaukee or GSW to maximize his talents. A floor spacing C would be ideal (not many to go around), along with shooters and some secondary creation, and hopefully they can defend. Incorporate alot of movement in the system and scottie should be able to run the offence.