Everything Scottie Barnes

[TrueTorontoFan]

If Magic could work his magic with great forwards, Scottie should be able to as well. Just needs more pull-up in his game due to the demands of the modern game but relax, it’s on its way.

Scottie is going to be the starting point guard on what I’m going to guess is a pretty competitive team. Might be a wild ride but it’s also pretty fucking cool.

And some of these transition lineups are going to be dynamite as he switches on a dime to point centre to see if we can run up the score with true shooting on the court.

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It’s a weird team around him but there’s not much reason to think it’ll be a bad team. I’m very curious to see how it all looks. Scottie needs to be able to shoot and attack off the dribble and make quick decisions. Not too much to ask.

no its not too much if he puts in the work

[DanH]

I told you from the start I don't need stats because I have freaking eyeballs and watch the games and it's super obvious to me, many other posters here, and the RR staff and their guest in the latest podcast.

The cherry picking was a retort to you wanting another season of Pascal in the way before you will finally accept that they are a shitty fit together.

Scottie won't magically be amazing every game Pascal is out. He's 21 years old. He will need time to develop as the starting and sole PF in the starting lineup. Then those big games will become more regular.

I love Pascal as a player but him and Scottie are incompatible. Which again is super obvious to just about everyone. Time for you to accept that reality, we will never ever be a contender with Pascal and Scottie playing together. Scottie will never develop into a star playing next to Pascal.

I don't expect him to be magically amazing. But if your eyeballs are telling you the truth about the absolute incompatibility of Scottie and Pascal, wouldn't you expect him to be at least slightly better without Pascal, rather than measurably worse? Do those actual results not give you even the slightest pause in the conclusions you are coming to?

[LJ2]

I told you from the start I don't need stats because I have freaking eyeballs and watch the games and it's super obvious to me, many other posters here, and the RR staff and their guest in the latest podcast.

The cherry picking was a retort to you wanting another season of Pascal in the way before you will finally accept that they are a shitty fit together.

Scottie won't magically be amazing every game Pascal is out. He's 21 years old. He will need time to develop as the starting and sole PF in the starting lineup. Then those big games will become more regular.

I love Pascal as a player but him and Scottie are incompatible. Which again is super obvious to just about everyone. Time for you to accept that reality, we will never ever be a contender with Pascal and Scottie playing together. Scottie will never develop into a star playing next to Pascal.

I might be mistaken, but if it's the podcast with Samson Folk you're speaking about I think they were referring to having 3 non-shooters on the floor together with Jak, Pascal and Scottie sharing the same space. Not specifically Pascal and Scottie.

[Shredder]

This is completely speculative, but I think a lot of the chemistry issues last year came when Scottie posted on one of his social media accounts that he was the PG for the Raptors.

I don't think it was a malicious dig at Fred, but I think Fred took it that way. Obviously Pascal has a longer and closer relationship to Fred so if there was animosity he would take Fred's side.

I'm interested (if the team we have now; is the team we start the season with) that with FVV gone, Nick gone; a system can be put in place that harnesses the skillset and strengths of both Scottie and Pascal together.

They are similar players, however Nurse's offence was pretty open, allowed players to make their own decisions. Which didn't work with last years personnel/objectives. With a more structured offence, that it sounds Darko brings to the table, could they be used more harmoniously.

[Primer]

I don't expect him to be magically amazing. But if your eyeballs are telling you the truth about the absolute incompatibility of Scottie and Pascal, wouldn't you expect him to be at least slightly better without Pascal, rather than measurably worse? Do those actual results not give you even the slightest pause in the conclusions you are coming to?

No they don't, because the sample size is too small. He had great games and not so great games. 20 years olds need time to develop. Scottie will only get more consistent if we get Pascal out of the way and let him play his position. By playing them together we are minimizing one of their talents.

Just looking at stats does nothing to tell you how the offense works with them playing together, and how defenses play them. Go listen to the RR podcast and come back with your rebuttals based on their analysis. That would require you to discuss what is happening on the court, rather than just pulling out stats with very little context.

[Primer]

I might be mistaken, but if it's the podcast with Samson Folk you're speaking about I think they were referring to having 3 non-shooters on the floor together with Jak, Pascal and Scottie sharing the same space. Not specifically Pascal and Scottie.

The one with Tre, Samson and Caitlin.

They do discuss Pascal and Scottie together specifically.

They also discuss Poeltl and how he fits in.

[slaw]

This is completely speculative, but I think a lot of the chemistry issues last year came when Scottie posted on one of his social media accounts that he was the PG for the Raptors.

I don't think it was a malicious dig at Fred, but I think Fred took it that way. Obviously Pascal has a longer and closer relationship to Fred so if there was animosity he would take Fred's side.

I'm interested (if the team we have now; is the team we start the season with) that with FVV gone, Nick gone; a system can be put in place that harnesses the skillset and strengths of both Scottie and Pascal together.

They are similar players, however Nurse's offence was pretty open, allowed players to make their own decisions. Which didn't work with last years personnel/objectives. With a more structured offence, that it sounds Darko brings to the table, could they be used more harmoniously.

The chemistry issues were much deeper than a social media post.

1. FVV and Trent being pending free agents and wanting big new deals.
2. Pascal wanting all-NBA and his supermax.
3. OG wanting more shots but watching Pascal and Fred dominate the ball cause of their contract situations.
4. Young guys (Barnes and Trent) and vets (FVV, Siakam) not seeing eye to eye
5. Nurse alienating half the roster.
6. The core group having too many guys who think they are stars

Note that they are about to enter this season with 3 pending free agents, Pascal's supermax issue, a new coach and the same basic core. Should be interesting.

[Shredder]

The chemistry issues were much deeper than a social media post.

1. FVV and Trent being pending free agents and wanting big new deals.
2. Pascal wanting all-NBA and his supermax.
3. OG wanting more shots but watching Pascal and Fred dominate the ball cause of their contract situations.
4. Young guys (Barnes and Trent) and vets (FVV, Siakam) not seeing eye to eye
5. Nurse alienating half the roster.
6. The core group having too many guys who think they are stars

Note that they are about to enter this season with 3 pending free agents, Pascal's supermax issue, a new coach and the same basic core. Should be interesting.

Ya I was referring to most of those issues when I vaguely said "objectives". It's not a healthy start to a season when players and coaches have objectives outside of playing winning basketball.

With fred and nurse gone, we've gotten away from two of probably the most vocal and both were in "leadership roles". That should help, but ya Siakam, Trent, and OG all having expiring contracts isn't great either.

Hopefully Darko can make it known that following the game plan will allow us to win more. Win more; get a bigger contract. Not put up meaningless stats and loose.

A guy can dream right.

[DanH]

No they don't, because the sample size is too small. He had great games and not so great games. 20 years olds need time to develop. Scottie will only get more consistent if we get Pascal out of the way and let him play his position. By playing them together we are minimizing one of their talents.

Just looking at stats does nothing to tell you how the offense works with them playing together, and how defenses play them. Go listen to the RR podcast and come back with your rebuttals based on their analysis. That would require you to discuss what is happening on the court, rather than just pulling out stats with very little context.

Meh, I think the most we can say (even though the actual on-court results do not, as I've shown, actually support it in any way) is that within the offence we ran last year and how we used Scottie and Pascal last year, they might be stepping on each other's toes in that structure.

I think anyone stating with confidence that in an entirely new offensive system, the statistically unsupported issues we presume were there in the previous system will "still" be there, is coming up with that confidence from somewhere other than reality.

As I said, if they trade Pascal, I'll hope like heck you were right and it unlocks something for Scottie. Because if he would have made the leap regardless, as I believe he will, we'll have tossed aside a very high end #2 option for him.

[TomAmnot]

As I said, if they trade Pascal, I'll hope like heck you were right and it unlocks something for Scottie. Because if he would have made the leap regardless, as I believe he will, we'll have tossed aside a very high end #2 option for him.

I agree with this. We here put so much emphasis on the ''non-fit'' of Pascal and Scottie. These guys are great basketball players... and I still think that if we can sign Pascal, that's the best thing we could do. He's our star player who always had a good attitude and still wants to improve every year.

I also truely think that Scottie will come back with a much improved shot.

But then if Pascal isn't clear he's going to sign an extension soon, then they should try and trade him.

[LJ2]

The one with Tre, Samson and Caitlin.

They do discuss Pascal and Scottie together specifically.

They also discuss Poeltl and how he fits in.

If Scottie improves his shooting and Pascal is willing to take more shots it may work. Those two had good chemistry together when Scottie at times. Would rather they find an really good wing to play next to Scottie, but short of that I'd rather they keep Pascal and see if it can work as Scottie's game evolves. Pascal is too good to trade for peanuts out of fear Scottie won't develop with him there.

[TomAmnot]

If Scottie improves his shooting and Pascal is willing to take more shots it may work. Those two had good chemistry together when Scottie at times. Would rather they find an really good wing to play next to Scottie, but short of that I'd rather they keep Pascal and see if it can work as Scottie's game evolves. Pascal is too good to trade for peanuts out of fear Scottie won't develop with him there.

When you say wing you talk about a forward? Because we also have Anunoby already. But yeah, can't believe we can't get one of, let's say, Patrick Williams, Buddy Hield or Tyler Herro.

[LJ2]

When you say wing you talk about a forward? Because we also have Anunoby already. But yeah, can't believe we can't get one of, let's say, Patrick Williams, Buddy Hield or Tyler Herro.

Actually, I wasn't being clear. I meant I would rather they pair Scottie with a really good guard or SF. Either the Batman or Robin to whatever Scottie becomes. Williams, Herro or Hield are not that for me. I'd rather they hang onto Pascal if that is the best return we could get for him.

[Maury]

I think his midrange is going to be really good this year. He got comfortable taking them last year, and I think it will be a part of his game in the long run. If there's anything about him that's Kawhi-like, it's those midrange jumpers he was taking against the Lakers last year.

[Primer]

Meh, I think the most we can say (even though the actual on-court results do not, as I've shown, actually support it in any way) is that within the offence we ran last year and how we used Scottie and Pascal last year, they might be stepping on each other's toes in that structure.

I think anyone stating with confidence that in an entirely new offensive system, the statistically unsupported issues we presume were there in the previous system will "still" be there, is coming up with that confidence from somewhere other than reality.

As I said, if they trade Pascal, I'll hope like heck you were right and it unlocks something for Scottie. Because if he would have made the leap regardless, as I believe he will, we'll have tossed aside a very high end #2 option for him.

Name one NBA offense from the past 20 years that had 2 non shooting PF playing next to a non shooting C in the starting lineup. Other than the Raptors that is. If it's got a chance of being successful surely its been done before.

Pascal is not a high end number 2 option for Scottie. Just like Nurkic was not a high end second option for Jokic.