Everything Scottie Barnes

[golden]

I just put zero meaning into these runs. Dominate, look like shit, it doesn't matter at all because this is nothing like NBA basketball.

No other sport does this and calls it training for the season, because it's doesn't make you better and other than having fun it's a total waste of time. I think it's even worse because it reinforces bad habits.

No other major sport does it because it's logistically or economically not easy to do in baseball, football or hockey. In sports where it is somewhat feasible, like practicing against tennis hitting partner, live play is definitely part of the practice regimen. And lots of the top soccer players developed their skills playing in the streets, so it's not like you get zero skill development unless it's formally supervised by a pro club, or you need to be yourself in an open gym taking 10000 shots a day.

Even so, Raps have their development coaches at the Rico runs, like Jim Sann, so if they're developing bad habits, then they should be catching that.

[slaw]

No other major sport does it because it's logistically or economically not easy to do in baseball, football or hockey. In sports where it is somewhat feasible, like practicing against tennis hitting partner, live play is definitely part of the practice regimen. And lots of the top soccer players developed their skills playing in the streets, so it's not like you get zero skill development unless it's formally supervised by a pro club, or you're by yourself in an open gym taking 10000 shots a day.

Even so, Raps have their development coaches at the Rico runs, like Jim Sann, so if they're developing bad habits, then they should be catching that.

Both you and Primer are just wrong on this.

NHLers play in summer leagues all the time. There's the Foxboro Summer League, the Da Beauty League in Florida, Rousseau League, Montreal Pro League, etc. The Vail Guys is the most star-studded hockey outside the Olympics (probably including them). Pretty sure some of these stream games online.

Baseball has the Arizona Fall League and all the Winter Leagues where lots of players go play.

NFL players are basically training all offseason with their teams.

These 'runs' aren't unique to the NBA in the slightest.

[golden]

Both you and Primer are just wrong on this.

NHLers play in summer leagues all the time. There's the Foxboro Summer League, the Da Beauty League in Florida, Rousseau League, Montreal Pro League, etc. The Vail Guys is the most star-studded hockey outside the Olympics (probably including them). Pretty sure some of these stream games online.

Baseball has the Arizona Fall League and all the Winter Leagues where lots of players go play.

NFL players are basically training all offseason with their teams.

These 'runs' aren't unique to the NBA in the slightest.

I think Primer was referring to open gym runs like Rico vs pro-am leagues, like Drew League.

[Primer]

Both you and Primer are just wrong on this.

NHLers play in summer leagues all the time. There's the Foxboro Summer League, the Da Beauty League in Florida, Rousseau League, Montreal Pro League, etc. The Vail Guys is the most star-studded hockey outside the Olympics (probably including them). Pretty sure some of these stream games online.

Baseball has the Arizona Fall League and all the Winter Leagues where lots of players go play.

NFL players are basically training all offseason with their teams.

These 'runs' aren't unique to the NBA in the slightest.

Are these hockey leagues a joke setting where no one plays defense and guys just try to trick out on offense? Or are guys playing like winning or losing matters?

Those baseball fall leagues are played just like pro games, they aren't trying trick pitches or catching it with their hat.

NFL guys train seriously all offseason with their teams, they don't play joke flag football all offseason and expect that to make them better.

FIBA is great for summer basketball development. Guys play real basketball, real defense, real offensive sets, etc....

I'm calling out how dumb and meaningless rico runs and drew league and pro-ams are. It's terrible basketball with little to no defense, no offensive structure just guys taking turns shooting, throwing up terrible lob passes (there is a hilariously bad one from Trent to Gradey that was like 15ft off the mark), and just practicing really bad habits that will be detrimental if they tried it in the NBA.

No other major sport does these joke games and pretends it's prep for the regular season.

[Primer]

Is there any other major sport where guys play joke games and pretend it's prep for the regular season?

[slaw]

Is there any other major sport where guys play joke games and pretend it's prep for the regular season?

I don't think that's what is going on at all. All of these guys are doing workouts, drills, training, etc. and then these are scrimmages. The pro-am stuff is more community oriented and a fun event for the locals, players, etc.

Not everything has to be joyless and full of blood, sweat and tears. You're taking all this way too seriously.

[Kagemusha]

These runs are good for building stamina, timing and shaking off rusts.
And that's about it.

[Primer]

I don't think that's what is going on at all. All of these guys are doing workouts, drills, training, etc. and then these are scrimmages. The pro-am stuff is more community oriented and a fun event for the locals, players, etc.

Not everything has to be joyless and full of blood, sweat and tears. You're taking all this way too seriously.

People are posting clips every year like it's relevant. Literally just happened in this forum and why I'm discussing it. If they didn't I wouldn't be mentioning it.

[LJ2]

Would anyone be interested in a trade centered around Scottie to Portland, Dame to Philly and Maxey to Toronto? Obviously lots of other parts needed to be moved to match Dames outgoing salary.

[TomAmnot]

Would anyone be interested in a trade centered around Scottie to Portland, Dame to Philly and Maxey to Toronto? Obviously lots of other parts needed to be moved to match Dames outgoing salary.

It's a no for me. Maybe OG, maybe... but even then!..

[planetmars]

He'd be a good fit next to Barnes. But no way is Masai trading Barnes. Let alone for Maxey. Scottie "franchise" Barnes is our only untouchable.

[LJ2]

He'd be a good fit next to Barnes. But no way is Masai trading Barnes. Let alone for Maxey. Scottie "franchise" Barnes is our only untouchable.

Yeah, if it's a play for the future then a Barnes/Maxey fit could be nice, but a Siakam/Maxey fit could be nice right now. Especially if we could keep OG in the trade. We'd have to get more than Maxey back since we'd be sending more than Barnes out in the trade. However, if you asked a bunch of executives around the league if they would trade Maxey for Barnes, they would probably say no, Maxey is too good right now and Barnes may never reach his potential.

[golden]

Yeah, if it's a play for the future then a Barnes/Maxey fit could be nice, but a Siakam/Maxey fit could be nice right now. Especially if we could keep OG in the trade. We'd have to get more than Maxey back since we'd be sending more than Barnes out in the trade. However, if you asked a bunch of executives around the league if they would trade Maxey for Barnes, they would probably say no, Maxey is too good right now and Barnes may never reach his potential.

Strange take, because I would expect the opinion around the league to be the opposite... and that's after a down year from Barnes.

[LJ2]

Strange take, because I would expect the opinion around the league to be the opposite... and that's after a down year from Barnes.

Strange how? They're one year apart (I think) and Maxey just averaged 20pts on excellent FG% at the guard position in a year he was asked to flip back and forth between starting and coming off the bench. For Barnes it's all about his potential to one day become a good player. Not a sure bet by any means.

[Kagemusha]

Strange take, because I would expect the opinion around the league to be the opposite... and that's after a down year from Barnes.

Agree.
that take is indeed strange.

Bleacher Report even has Scottie 10th in their under 22 best prospect list.
Maxey came in at 13th.