Everything Scottie Barnes

[Shredder]

Sure he can bring the ball up off a rebound and catch an outlet on the run, but he’s not the full time point guard.

Which is why pairing him with a combo PG like IQ makes sense on paper.
Barnes wants to play like a PG sometimes.
IQ wants to play like a SG sometimes.
Hopefully it works in practice.

[SkywalkerAC]

Josh Giddey's shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=j...+chart+2023-24

[SkywalkerAC]

Josh Giddey's shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=j...+chart+2023-24

Ja Morant's shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/shot-chart-ja-morant

[LJ2]

I'd argue we should have already gotten a good sense if Scottie has top 10 potential mid-way through last season. Was pretty obvious to me that he does.

To me if you're a top 10 type of player then you're the best player on the court most nights. I didn't feel like that was the case with Scottie, last season. A lot of that probably had to do with roster turnover as well as the players that were around him. They did a pretty big roster overhaul last season and put players around him which fit with Scottie. I'd say he's prime for another big leap this season.

[SkywalkerAC]

To me if you're a top 10 type of player then you're the best player on the court most nights. I didn't feel like that was the case with Scottie, last season. A lot of that probably had to do with roster turnover as well as the players that were around him. They did a pretty big roster overhaul last season and put players around him which fit with Scottie. I'd say he's prime for another big leap this season.

Potential to be a top 10 player, important qualifier.

[SkywalkerAC]

I mean, would anyone be that surprised if Scottie got to, say, 22/9/8 plus stocks in his 4th season? I wouldn't, it's virtually expected at this point, to be in that ballpark at least.

[Kagenusha]

Potential to be a top 10 player, important qualifier.

Scottie will have to leapfrog a lot of stars for this to happen.

[LJ2]

I mean, would anyone be that surprised if Scottie got to, say, 22/9/8 plus stocks in his 4th season? I wouldn't, it's virtually expected at this point.

I have him at 22/8/8 for the coming season, so we're pretty close on expectations for Scottie. I'd need to see him do that with better efficiency than last season.

[SkywalkerAC]

Scottie will have to leapfrog a lot of stars for this to happen.

A lot of stars - Lebron, KD, Curry, et al - are going to age themselves right out of the conversation in the next couple of years, and - like Scottie - shouldn't be in the conversation this season if their teams aren't in playoff contention.

[planetmars]

Top 10 is super subjective. I like to look at the All-NBA team for a good barometer test.

First Team - top 5.
Second Team - top 10.
Third Team - top 15.

But there are gray areas there.. especially with the whole 65 games played thing now. I think Scottie can make the 2nd team one day. Heck I think he could make the 1st team (would be the first Raptor to ever do it).

But I think that will mostly depend on team wins. Most voters usually vote for guys on good teams. If we can get back to being a top 4 team in the East, then I think Scottie gets there.

[SkywalkerAC]

Top 10 is super subjective. I like to look at the All-NBA team for a good barometer test.

First Team - top 5.
Second Team - top 10.
Third Team - top 15.

But there are gray areas there.. especially with the whole 65 games played thing now. I think Scottie can make the 2nd team one day. Heck I think he could make the 1st team (would be the first Raptor to ever do it).

But I think that will mostly depend on team wins. Most voters usually vote for guys on good teams. If we can get back to being a top 4 team in the East, then I think Scottie gets there.

Bingo. The wins have to be there, and I think they will be as the team grows with him. If you're putting up 22/8/8 with 2.5 stocks on a 50+ win teams, you'll be in the conversation. I think looking at this upcoming draft class and seeing how rare it is to find a (power/point) forward of his calibre is an interesting exercise.

Looking at the all-nba teams only about half of them are on the young side of 30, and injury concerns abound. I could easily see him on the 3rd team, not this season but next.

[Primer]

Josh Giddey's shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=j...+chart+2023-24

Ja Morant's shot chart:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/shot-chart-ja-morant

These are some pretty bizarre picks to exemplify a typical NBA PG's shooting chart.

Here are some more logical choices:

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tyr...hot-chart-2024

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/ste...hot-chart-2024

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jru...hot-chart-2024

See the difference?

They all took WAY more 3s and WAY less shots close to the basket. Hence why Scottie's shot chart looks closer to a C than a PG (it's pretty typical for a PF which he is).

Here is a typical stretch C in Turner and it looks pretty damn similar to Scottie's.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mil...hot-chart-2024

So yeah, I still think his short chart is closer to a C than a PG, but he is a PF so that makes perfect sense and is expected.

[SkywalkerAC]

These are some pretty bizarre picks to exemplify a typical NBA PG's shooting chart.

But that's the point (har har), basketball is interesting like that in how different players play different positions, well, differently. Sure you could average all point guards since the dawn of the 3-point line and say "see, this is the right way to do it because it's literally normal!" but where's the fun in that? Outliers on the other hand...

[SkywalkerAC]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jru...hot-chart-2024

See the difference?

I mean, I guess so? Jrue's still the same general shape as Scottie's (3s and paint), just different a different balance between perimeter and interior. But I take your point.

[MixxAOR]

the blueprint