Everything Scottie Barnes

[slaw]

These guys have to write about something but it's obviously way too soon to draw conclusions. I only saw the one Suggs game and he looked fine. I thought Barnes looked fine. The only guys I saw who raised my eyebrows were Kuminga cause he looks like he might be a bit of a steal at 7 and Jalen Johnson (who would have been a lottery pick if he wasn't a problem child) might be a great pick if he can keep his head on straight.

[Kagemusha]

We all know Barnes will be a bit of a project on offense. We will judge these kids 3 years from now.
I see Barnes as a great 2 way , with great playmaking skills ala Kawhi.
Suggs is potentially a bigger CP3 type.
I would choose a better playmaking Kawhi over a bigger CP3 anytime.

[Primer]

Unfortunately 'Suggs vs. Barnes' is going to be a Raptor discussion for the rest of their careers.

https://theathletic.com/2776044/2021...and-surprises/

[B]

Take this for what you will, but Sam Vecenie sounds a lot like he's trying to defend his pre-draft ranking (see... I was right!)

Yeah this definitely feels like him defending his picks.

He's judging Barnes as being a PG like Suggs when he was playing PF all summer league. How many PF are expected to create out of half court sets? Did he not see Flynn playing PG the whole time?

Suggs and Barnes each had 2 good games.

Scottie had 1 bad game and 1 so-so game where he didn't shoot well but was otherwise awesome (5 blocks!). Scottie finished strong with his best game of the summer league, showed progression.

Suggs was playing like shit in his 3rd game where he got hurt. In 11 minutes he shot 2-6 with 2 reb, 1 ast, 2 TO and 3 PF, while being a -9. He still played the same minutes as the rest of the Orlando starters because they sat everyone after getting their ass kicked in the 1st half 50-31 by Boston. So pretty convenient to say that game doesn't count.

I'm sure both players will be very good but homeboy is jumping to some ridiculous conclusions considering what we saw out of both guys in summer league. Suggs seems like he will be a very good PG, and Barnes seems like he will be a very good point forward, you can't pick a winner based on that tiny sample size.

[MixxAOR]

I like Winter Soldier nickname

[LJ2]

Unfortunately 'Suggs vs. Barnes' is going to be a Raptor discussion for the rest of their careers.

https://theathletic.com/2776044/2021...and-surprises/

[B]

Take this for what you will, but Sam Vecenie sounds a lot like he's trying to defend his pre-draft ranking (see... I was right!)

I'm sticking with my theory that Suggs will struggle against players bigger, stronger and more athletic than him a lot more than Barnes will.

[grindhouse]

these are guys Scottie should watch to improve his offensive game. Learn how to move with a man on his back, short space moves and scoring in the box

[KeonClark]

I'm impressed with how much muscle Barnes has for a 20 year old rookie.

Comparison with rookie AD:

Way better scowl. AD looks like he's taking a wet fart.

[GOLDBLUM]

[KeonClark]

I love the contrast with OG. Barnes roars at summer league like its round 2 of the playoffs. OG walks off in round 2 of the playoffs like he hit a shot in summer league.

one brings an infectious energy and enthusiasm, the other brings a steady, unflappable calmness.

[SkywalkerAC]

Scottie's quick-release jump-hook looks a lot like Horford's. Tough to contest across that wide bod.

[SkywalkerAC]

Is it just me, or hasn’t Ben Simmons kind of proven that point forwards (especially ones that can’t shoot that well) shouldn’t actually start at the “point guard” position?

[inthepaint]

Is it just me, or hasn’t Ben Simmons kind of proven that point forwards (especially ones that can’t shoot that well) shouldn’t actually start at the “point guard” position?

Yes. If you can't/won't shoot from outside the paint (like Simmons) you can't be a point guard. Point-guards run pick and rolls and cordinate off-ball actions that rely on defences trying to guess if you're gonna shoot or hit the roll man, cutter or corner shooter. If they know you ain't shooting they just play the pass, so you might as well just play in transition and go to the dunker spot to play C when the opposing defence is set

That's not Barnes though, he'll shoot from anywhere and he's got great court vision and passing instincts, just need to improve the % from 3.

[A.I]

Is it just me, or hasn’t Ben Simmons kind of proven that point forwards (especially ones that can’t shoot that well) shouldn’t actually start at the “point guard” position?

Good thing Barnes actually shoots and seems like he has the work ethic to improve. It is usually more difficult for big guys to play point because they are big. Dribbling isn't as tight and its usually harder for them to create space, dribble through traffic, etc.

[SkywalkerAC]

I mean, even Lebron doesn't start at point guard, he'll always have someone manning that position for defense and usually shooting ability even if he's often bringing the ball up and initiating the play a good portion of the time.

[planetmars]

I think if the Raptors had their way, everyone on the team can play PG. That's what they are looking for. For anyone to be able to grab a rebound, run up the court, and make a play before the defense has a chance to set.

So Barnes will be able to play with anyone, since he has that ability.