Everything Scottie Barnes

[DanH]

Entirely depends on the return. We've seen teams get better after trading star players away.

We're a sub 500 team so it's not like the bar has been set high.

For instance, say we trade Pascal to Portland for Simons and Sharpe. Are we demonstrably worse after that trade?

Yes, dramatically worse. Simons is decent. Sharpe has thus far been a disaster. Possible several years from now it pays off, but pretending we would not get worse is silly.

[DanH]

You mean like how the Nets were supposed to completely fall off the map after trading Kyrie and KD, mid-season? And how Raps were supposed to take off and grab 6th place by adding Jakob to the Fred & Pascal core at the trade deadline? Both teams are 5-5 in the last 10.

Depends on who we get back and if the coach can make the pieces fit together. Like finding serviceable bench & transition lineups.

I agree, the best way to evaluate a team is based off a 10 game sample.

We already have a serviceable bench and transition lineups, we just don't use them. Trading your best player away is not a path to getting better.

Heck, the Nets traded away their stars and for all their surprising success - they are still significantly worse than they were with those stars. It's a weird example to bring up to demonstrate that you could maintain or improve in the short term by moving a star.

[DanH]

we have a good center. but i dont think that solves the center issue due to lack of spacing/shooting. pair that with scottie who also can't shoot and im not seeing how thats gonna be good for anyone.

the fact that there already problems fitting someone as versatile as siakam with poeltl / scottie is a red flag to me.

Poeltl and Barnes have a +10 net rating sharing the floor together, one of the best pairings on the team for the year (Poeltl and Fred is the only other big minutes pairing that is better and it's by decimal points). By all accounts they fit great together.

[Yuri Gagarin]

You can have a championship NBA team with a PF and C who aren't 3pt specialists.

Sure but the other three guys have to be that much better at it

[golden]

I agree, the best way to evaluate a team is based off a 10 game sample.

We already have a serviceable bench and transition lineups, we just don't use them. Trading your best player away is not a path to getting better.

Heck, the Nets traded away their stars and for all their surprising success - they are still significantly worse than they were with those stars. It's a weird example to bring up to demonstrate that you could maintain or improve in the short term by moving a star.

Nets have won 5 of their last 6. It actually should be 6 straight, but they punted the Bucks game due to injuries/rest and still almost won. This is a team that has recently replaced 80% of their starting lineup mid-season and are learning how to play together on the fly, without a training camp.

[iblastoff]

Literally no one respected Gasols 3. He did not space the floor with his 3. I watched every game that season and every team left him wide freaking open to take the 3. Poeltl provides just as much spacing as Gasol.

I also do not ascribe to FT = 3PT shot. It's very different mechanics on a 3 VS a FT.

be glad they did ignore gasol then because he was hitting them at a high clip in the playoffs (4 attempts per game at 38%).

as for FT = 3P%

there are 121 players in the league who are shooting at 35% or above this season. and i'd say 75% from the FT line lands you in the 'pretty good FT shooter' category.

of those players, 100 out 121 are shooting at least 75% from the free throw line. if you're an above average 3 point shooter, theres an 83% chance you're a pretty good FT shooter.

sure there will be random outliers, such as andrew wiggins who has somehow improved his 3 point shot but also gotten much worse from the FT line, or you're a player like derozan.

but the chances of poeltl magically turning into a 3 point shooter while averaging a paltry career 53.4% from the FT line is statistically unlikely.

[Primer]

Sure but the other three guys have to be that much better at it

Scottie has to learn how to shoot the 3 or he isn't worth building around. He's 30% on decent volume right now. If he ups that to 35% we're good.

[Primer]

be glad they did ignore gasol then because he was hitting them at a high clip in the playoffs (4 attempts per game at 38%).

as for FT = 3P%

there are 121 players in the league who are shooting at 35% or above this season. and i'd say 75% from the FT line lands you in the 'pretty good FT shooter' category.

of those players, 100 out 121 are shooting at least 75% from the free throw line. if you're an above average 3 point shooter, theres an 83% chance you're a pretty good FT shooter.

sure there will be random outliers, such as andrew wiggins who has somehow improved his 3 point shot but also gotten much worse from the FT line, or you're a player like derozan.

but the chances of poeltl magically turning into a 3 point shooter while averaging a paltry career 53.4% from the FT line is statistically unlikely.

He just needs to be able to hit wide open 3s at 30%+ clip, I think he could do it.

[DanH]

Nets have won 5 of their last 6. It actually should be 6 straight, but they punted the Bucks game due to injuries/rest and still almost won. This is a team that has recently replaced 80% of their starting lineup mid-season and are learning how to play together on the fly, without a training camp.

Yes and it's all very impressive and I'm certain you will agree with me when I say we shouldn't pencil them in as a team that will win 80% of their games moving forward based on that small sample.

[Kagemusha]

Dang!

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2023...-best-passers/

[Kagemusha]

Any injury update?

[planetmars]

Any injury update?

He didn't practice today so likely will be day to day. Raptors don't really disclose too much about injuries though.

[G____Deane]

Any injury update?

Nurse said his wrist is "still sore", MRI was good, listed as day to day.

[MixxAOR]

Looks like his hand is fucked. not using it to dribble or shoot in practice.

[Kagemusha]

Looks like his hand is fucked. not using it to dribble or shoot in practice.

What happened to that hand exactly.
I think I remember thaat same thing happen to AD .
Weird injury.