Everything Precious Achiuwa

[SkywalkerAC]

Precious' jumper has a nice sit-back action (think T-ross), reminiscent of Michael Beasley - impressive mechanics for a big man but we'll see if there's any accuracy there.

Another comparison is young Amir Johnson. I can't find his finding reach but it was also probably around 9 feet as well. Or, a bigger JYD for old times' sake.

[DanH]

There was a podcast interview just after the draft and Thorpe said "... it's broken'. Have to dig it up.

I've only watched the Ford/Thorpe mock draft from right before the draft where Thorpe had him 2 on his big board, and outright said he thought Barnes would learn to shoot. He later sort of points out that his form is a mess, but says it's a common sort of mess for guys with such long arms and he's seen loads of NBA guys like that fix that form over and over, so isn't super concerned about the shot developing.

[A.I]

I'm pretty confident though that Raptors will teach him how to catch and shoot. I think eventually he'll develop a corner three and etc. But off the dribble pull up at higher % is big jump to make and he'll need to make that jump in order to be franchise player or one of core guys

I think he'll be a fantastic player if he is capable of hitting 3s when he is open. He is 6'9 with the ability to handle the ball and pass. If he has a jumpshot that you have to defend, then he'll be able to get to the rim and if you help on that, he'll be able to find people. One of his strengths coming in is that he is able to finish through contact, so that helps.

[SkywalkerAC]

There was a podcast interview just after the draft and Thorpe said "... it's broken'. Have to dig it up.

I listened to the William Lou one, at least in context that's not what was discussed.

[golden]

He said the opposite of this.

There was a podcast interview just after the draft and Thorpe said "... it's broken'. Have to dig it up.

[SkywalkerAC]

And not to backseat moderate but...take it to the Barnes thread!

[MixxAOR]

I'm pretty confident though that Raptors will teach him how to catch and shoot. I think eventually he'll develop a corner three and etc. But off the dribble pull up at higher % is big jump to make and he'll need to make that jump in order to be franchise player or one of core guys

[SkywalkerAC]

David Thorpe literally said Barnes shot was broken, and would need to be rebuilt. He watched every one of his games at FSU because his son is also on the team. Thorpe is also a high-end skills development coach, good buddy of Masai and big advocate of Barnes. Says it can be fixed, though, especially since Barnes is such a hard worker. Nurse said it wasn't broken, so there's a difference of opinion there... and Nurse is also a shot doctor.

Either way, if professional coaches are debating semantics on whether a guy's shot is broken or not, suffice to say... he's a non-shooter until he proves otherwise. And I believe Barnes will do just that - just don't know when.

He said the opposite of this. That his shot was decidedly not broken and that he didn't suffer from Shaq/big hands syndrome because his thumb was not in on the action (aka paralyzed).

[MixxAOR]

Do we know Barnes is a non-shooter? His splits at FSU weren't that bad and were skewed by a bad stretch. His FT% isn't particularly awful. I get that the seasonal 3PT% doesn't look great but it's one year. He's awkward offensively at this stage, so everything likely looks worse but I'm wondering if his lack of shooting is being oversold. Guess we'll find out.

He was 5 made shots away from 70% FT apparently. And he reworked his shot since leaving FSU but it was broken shot in college according to many people

[golden]

Wait until we tell golden the team only has 2 or 3 shooters on the roster

Gonna be needing a lot more of these, then

[golden]

Do we know Barnes is a non-shooter? His splits at FSU weren't that bad and were skewed by a bad stretch. His FT% isn't particularly awful. I get that the seasonal 3PT% doesn't look great but it's one year. He's awkward offensively at this stage, so everything likely looks worse but I'm wondering if his lack of shooting is being oversold. Guess we'll find out.

David Thorpe literally said Barnes shot was broken, and would need to be rebuilt. He watched every one of his games at FSU because his son is also on the team. Thorpe is also a high-end skills development coach, good buddy of Masai and big advocate of Barnes. Says it can be fixed, though, especially since Barnes is such a hard worker. Nurse said it wasn't broken, so there's a difference of opinion there... and Nurse is also a shot doctor.

Either way, if professional coaches are debating semantics on whether a guy's shot is broken or not, suffice to say... he's a non-shooter until he proves otherwise. And I believe Barnes will do just that - just don't know when.

[S.R.]

Do we know Barnes is a non-shooter? His splits at FSU weren't that bad and were skewed by a bad stretch. His FT% isn't particularly awful. I get that the seasonal 3PT% doesn't look great but it's one year. He's awkward offensively at this stage, so everything likely looks worse but I'm wondering if his lack of shooting is being oversold. Guess we'll find out.

He's not a non-shooter at all, this is no Ben Simmons or Markelle Fultz situation. It's very much in line with the Raptors recent draft history which is pretty remarkable, last college season vs this past NBA season:

- OG 3P% .311 > .398 and FT% .563 > .784
- Siakam couldn't shoot 3's at all > .297 (big COVID drop tho) and .678 > .827
- Powell .319 > .411 and .751 > .871
- Boucher .350 > .383 and .565 > .788

They're absolutely onto something with their draft picks & development program. I'm not worried about Barnes at all. May take 2-3 years though.

Overall they're evidently not in a rush to win now, which is interesting given Siakam and FVV's ages. Those guys are right in their primes but management is pushing the team's ceiling 2+ years down the road with this youth movement. They could have gone for Suggs and a win-now C and they aren't. Barnes & Precious needing some shot work also imply a peak that's down the road a bit.

[planetmars]

Yuta is a decent shooter as well now. 40% last season (in limited time though)

[saints91]

4 - Trent, Flynn (he had a tough start), OG, and FVV.

[KeonClark]

I dunno, you'd have 2 certified non-shooters (Barnes/Precious) and a very inconsistent shooter (Pascal) on the floor. Opposing teams would throw a lot of zone defense at them. Even with Lowry and FVV on the court, we had trouble with the Heat zones for entire games the last few years. Playoffs would be a disaster.

Wait until we tell golden the team only has 2 or 3 shooters on the roster