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  • saints91
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    Scottie is actually a three point specialist, he just was in a slump last year.

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  • slaw
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Looking forward to this forum when Scottie knocks down his first three in summer league
    Do we know Barnes is a non-shooter? His splits at FSU weren't that bad and were skewed by a bad stretch. His FT% isn't particularly awful. I get that the seasonal 3PT% doesn't look great but it's one year. He's awkward offensively at this stage, so everything likely looks worse but I'm wondering if his lack of shooting is being oversold. Guess we'll find out.

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  • Jclaw
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    Looking forward to this forum when Scottie knocks down his first three in summer league

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  • golden
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    So if you have a 5 man lineup of Barnes (running point), FVV, Siakam, OG, Precious. You could just have the 6’8/6’9 guys interchangeably play the 5 on D. Each of them have a standing reach of 9ft. My guess is OG would be able to handle big fives better than the rest.

    Honestly, if Nurse and company get Achiuwa shooting comfortable from distance then we could have some wicked lineups.
    I dunno, you'd have 2 certified non-shooters (Barnes/Precious) and a very inconsistent shooter (Pascal) on the floor. Opposing teams would throw a lot of zone defense at them. Even with Lowry and FVV on the court, we had trouble with the Heat zones for entire games the last few years. Playoffs would be a disaster.

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  • DanH
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    He's a good roll man but Raps don't have anyone who can run screen and roll and get the ball to him, so going to be tough for him to be effective on offense outside of transition and garbage buckets.
    Flynn showed some PnR passing chops in spurts last year. I expect Achiuwa to play in bench units with Flynn, with whichever veteran C comes in starting (Powell, Birch, whoever), so we might get to see some of that.

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  • slaw
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    I have more confidence in Barnes figuring out how to shoot over Achiuwa. Just look at his draft profile video:

    The weakness section starts around 5:50
    He's a good roll man but Raps don't have anyone who can run screen and roll and get the ball to him, so going to be tough for him to be effective on offense outside of transition and garbage buckets.

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  • S.R.
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    So if you have a 5 man lineup of Barnes (running point), FVV, Siakam, OG, Precious. You could just have the 6’8/6’9 guys interchangeably play the 5 on D. Each of them have a standing reach of 9ft. My guess is OG would be able to handle big fives better than the rest.

    Honestly, if Nurse and company get Achiuwa shooting comfortable from distance then we could have some wicked lineups.
    Yeah it's been OG at C in small lineups so far. NN is the mad scientist so I don't know how much of this we'd see in the regular season vs a bunch of other apparently random combinations, but that's a super intriguing lineup for smaller opponents in the playoffs. I don't see a size issue there for anyone in the EC outside of the Sixers.

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  • planetmars
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    I have more confidence in Barnes figuring out how to shoot over Achiuwa. Just look at his draft profile video:



    The weakness section starts around 5:50

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  • saints91
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    So if you have a 5 man lineup of Barnes (running point), FVV, Siakam, OG, Precious. You could just have the 6’8/6’9 guys interchangeably play the 5 on D. Each of them have a standing reach of 9ft. My guess is OG would be able to handle big fives better than the rest.

    Honestly, if Nurse and company get Achiuwa shooting comfortable from distance then we could have some wicked lineups.

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  • inthepaint
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post

    I don't know how accurate NBA.com's pages are now, but Achiuwa measured out 0.5" taller pre-draft, and weighed in at 234. Not sure if he's dropped a few since then.

    Pascal's arms are hella long though. Wow.
    Sure, it's possible he gained or lost weight, most guys will have their weight fluctuate over the years. Ultimately though, Achiuwa has a quite small overall frame for a C. Even if it's 234, that's still light for an nba C. Most guys at that height and weight are flagged as not ideally playing C full-time. The reason he plays there it's because his game is still limited elsewhere, so he gotta go to the dunker spot (more so than him being a C because he's better at C things like elite rebounding, post moves, screen setting, roll timing, pick and pop, defence quarterbacking/communication etc).

    Some of that is what we need in order to truly be able to say we fixed our C spot. Birch may very well povide that actually, but we need to see a larger sample with him being a pick roll target for Fred Instead of Lowry (who is a master at threading the needle to create space, making Centres look great in his sleep)

    That said, I think Achiuwa is a good overall prospect. Raw, athletic and lengthy - Raptors development specialty - so it could turn out very well there.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    He's shorter and lighter than Pascal though. I think he's a good prospect, but he's still raw. Will probably give us good minutes, but he's not a an actual C (at least not any more than Pascal is one), and as a wing, to be truly impactful you gotta either shoot the 3 above average, have above average defensive chops, or develop a handle that can create space in the offence. Ideally all 3, but that's rare. Hopefully he'll develop one of these; he's only 22 and very athtletic, so there's certainly potential.
    I don't know how accurate NBA.com's pages are now, but Achiuwa measured out 0.5" taller pre-draft, and weighed in at 234. Not sure if he's dropped a few since then.

    Pascal's arms are hella long though. Wow.

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  • inthepaint
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    Kawhisexual wrote: View Post
    Aren't achiuwa's measurements identical to bam's..?
    I mean bam is probably more atheletic but I think achiuwa is perfect at C
    Well, Bam is 30 pounds heavier than Achiuwa. That's significant when it comes to playing C. Bam is as heavy as Gasol, it's very hard to push him around. Some player weights in pounds for reference:


    Harden and Derozan- 220
    Achiuwa - 225
    Siakam, Draymond, Doncic -230
    OG Anunoby - 232
    John Collins - 235
    Markennen - 240
    Giannis - 242
    Theis - 245
    Blake Griffin and Deandre Ayton- 250
    Bam Adebayo and Marc Gasol - 255
    Valanciunas - 265
    Embiid - 280
    Jokic - 284

    [unlike height, weight changes though, some of these may not be exactly it right now, but that would be the overall range]
    Last edited by inthepaint; Wed Aug 4, 2021, 03:26 AM.

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  • Kawhisexual
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    Aren't achiuwa's measurements identical to bam's..?
    I mean bam is probably more atheletic but I think achiuwa is perfect at C

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  • inthepaint
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    With his wingspan, he can handle most C's. Like, Birch has almost identical measurements and was used almost exclusively as a C here and did great.
    Birch played well on a small, atypical sample in which we were tanking, with some games being alongside one of the highest BBIQ Point Guards in the league hooking him up (who's no longer here). His "Centre" counterpart is a promising but raw 6'8" sophomore that is not very heavy, his former team being the 2nd worst rebounding team in the league last year. Does that mean we're still screwed at C? Not necessarily, there are many variables at play, but I for one will wait for a few games to see.

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  • S.R.
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post
    He's got the body of a wing, just not the skills for it yet. Played PF his rookie year, not C. He may very well play C here out of necessity since our other 6'8ish 225lbs guys are more polished than him, we're thin at C, and his game is basically dunks, but at the end of the day he's small for that position.
    Not sure the best place for it but 82games.com has him with a pretty even minutes split between PF and C this last season. His pre 36 rebounding numbers are also fine, same as Richaun Holmes fwiw.

    Mind you Miami got killed on the boards, 29th in the league and they really paid for weak rebounding in the playoffs. But they played a lot of really small lineups, most used Precious @ C lineups were basically him and four guards.

    I think it's kind of fun Bobby dropped that "Why not have 5 players like OG/Siakam?" line and the team's on the verge of having 4 of them next year. I want to see lots of FVV/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Precious. Find that kind of hilarious, Fred's gonna be Muggsy Bogues out there.

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