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  • The Claw Reborn
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    I am rooting for Trent to exceed expectations. I root for the team, I want them to win more, not sure what's confusing about that.

    But these are my expectations. It also has nothing to do with him failing or succeeding, it has to do with his fit with that unit as a starting group, which is just not very good (great as a closing look though). If they find a way to overcome that, awesome. I just don't expect it to happen.
    Let’s be honest here…Nick Nurse is not changing his starting rotation soon. The only way you validate your stance is for Trent to fail and basically shoving into this coach throat that you were so right all along. We can move on because you are not fooling me with some of your goodie two shoes performance in the game thread about Trent. He had a great game and on to the next one, waiting for him to crash land so you can once again reinsert your campaign that he has to be coming off the bench and Precious to start.

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  • DanH
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post

    So in the most simplest terms…you are basically rooting for Trent to fail…in the end would validate you and your most loyal cult follower theory. LOL.

    let’s move on
    I am rooting for Trent to exceed expectations. I root for the team, I want them to win more, not sure what's confusing about that.

    But these are my expectations. It also has nothing to do with him failing or succeeding, it has to do with his fit with that unit as a starting group, which is just not very good (great as a closing look though). If they find a way to overcome that, awesome. I just don't expect it to happen.

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  • Puffer
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    Maury wrote: View Post
    Hopefully a big part of the future of this team! I’m excited to see what this guy can do for us as a mobile defender with a developing offensive game. Can he work out a functional 3 point shot? Does he start for us?
    Just wanted to give Maury his due. You were right to be excited Maury. The only question left is "Does he start for us?" Check in with Dan H. :-)

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  • Kagemusha
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    Gary most certainly is on board with defence, but he's just not going to give you what the other starters give you. Going to be interesting to see if the Raps commit to Trent or not.
    There's always be a few outlier, but as long as Gary compensates for his shortcomings on the other end of the floor , then he should be fine.
    it would be extremely hard for a team to get all the pieces that they wanted.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    I wanted to bring it up because my qualitative observations of the lineup re: player fit and role and play style were carried out by the numbers for the entirety of last season and nothing has happened yet this season to contradict that, and wanted to establish a baseline to track the trend against as the sample builds, because I am confident based on said qualitative observations that the sample will hold up with time.
    So in the most simplest terms…you are basically rooting for Trent to fail…in the end would validate you and your most loyal cult follower theory. LOL.

    let’s move on

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  • golden
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    I wanted to bring it up because my qualitative observations of the lineup re: player fit and role and play style were carried out by the numbers for the entirety of last season and nothing has happened yet this season to contradict that, and wanted to establish a baseline to track the trend against as the sample builds, because I am confident based on said qualitative observations that the sample will hold up with time.
    You could be seeing the "Banton effect". Banton is destroying everybody's net rating, except Fred and Scottie, who are PGs can take the ball out of his hands and make better decisions. Banton is even killing Pascal's net rating.

    Or.... it's just another episode of: Small Sample Size Theatre.

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  • DanH
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post

    Why bring it up then? Oh ok, you want to do your unwarranted due diligence this early of the season…. Game no.4 LOL
    I wanted to bring it up because my qualitative observations of the lineup re: player fit and role and play style were carried out by the numbers for the entirety of last season and nothing has happened yet this season to contradict that, and wanted to establish a baseline to track the trend against as the sample builds, because I am confident based on said qualitative observations that the sample will hold up with time.

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  • LJ2
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    JawsGT wrote: View Post

    Yikes, Gary got to get on board with defence, pretty much confirms what I've been noticing. Hopefully that trend changes.
    Gary most certainly is on board with defence, but he's just not going to give you what the other starters give you. Going to be interesting to see if the Raps commit to Trent or not.

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  • big boi
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    Sort of makes sense that both Scottie and Precious would struggle playing together since they are both non-shooters and kind of occupy the same space in the paint.
    Didn't Precious play quite poorly both full games he played with Scottie? Then going on to play well the game Scottie got injured and the game after? So isn't the comparison with Scottie a particularly small sample?

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  • JawsGT
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Feeling annoying this morning so going to put some super small sample early returns from this season here.

    Precious' on-court net rating with each player (listed in order of minutes played):
    Fred +23
    Gary +10
    Pascal +17
    OG +29
    Koloko -19
    Banton -42
    Barnes -7
    Flynn -15
    Boucher +4
    Thad -42
    Khem -48

    We should stop playing Precious at PF, it seems. Generally has had a lot of struggle with the bench but killed it with the various starters, Barnes excepted (who plays in most of those bench groups). Shocking.

    Will be interesting to watch to see if that trend continues.

    Another trend related to the discussion:

    On-off court differential net rating by player, in order of minutes played:
    Fred +42
    Gary -17
    Pascal +8
    OG +40
    Precious +14
    Barnes +13
    Koloko -18
    Banton -44
    Thad -53
    Flynn -17
    Boucher +4
    Khem +25
    Juancho -56

    Good news is in his one game Boucher seemed to stabilize the bench a bit. One of those top 6 guys in minutes doesn't seem to fit with the rest...

    Again, interesting to keep an eye on. Wonder how long it would need to go on before the team starts to consider a change.
    Yikes, Gary got to get on board with defence, pretty much confirms what I've been noticing. Hopefully that trend changes.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    I said it was too early to draw firm conclusions because it was.

    Precious vs Gary we already have an entire season's sample last year, this is just building on it. But I was pretty up front about it being small samples and early trends to keep an eye on, which is exactly how I tried to label your presentation of that early season data last year and you had such a problem with.
    Why bring it up then? Oh ok, you want to do your unwarranted due diligence this early of the season…. Game no.4 LOL

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  • DanH
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post



    Now I understand your intentions of generating discussion and traffic around here by strongly pushing your agenda. The flavor of the season this time is your campaign to start Precious. Lol.

    But if my memory is right which I think it is always spot on especially when it comes to you….was it not that you brush aside and diminish other people POV and in my case, my previous posts early in the season last year about my stance on Nick Nurse strategy in defending the three point line and the distance between 0-5 feet. You were so quick to point out that it was too early and the data I have shown reflected a small sample size.

    Now here you are, laying out statistical data (in a small sample) about Precious net rating in contrast to Gary.

    Is this not hypocritical. Only for your own benefit and whatever suits your current narrative and campaign

    Nick Nurse aint changing the starting unit. Deal with that.
    I said it was too early to draw firm conclusions because it was.

    Precious vs Gary we already have an entire season's sample last year, this is just building on it. But I was pretty up front about it being small samples and early trends to keep an eye on, which is exactly how I tried to label your presentation of that early season data last year and you had such a problem with.

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  • LJ2
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Yeah, Scottie has definitely struggled to fit with Precious early on.

    Scottie with:
    OG +21
    Fred +17
    Gary -2
    Pascal +2
    Precious -7
    Koloko +7
    Banton +15
    Thad +6
    Juancho -14

    Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.

    Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.
    Sort of makes sense that both Scottie and Precious would struggle playing together since they are both non-shooters and kind of occupy the same space in the paint.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Yeah, Scottie has definitely struggled to fit with Precious early on.

    Scottie with:
    OG +21
    Fred +17
    Gary -2
    Pascal +2
    Precious -7
    Koloko +7
    Banton +15
    Thad +6
    Juancho -14

    Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.

    Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.
    DanH wrote: View Post

    If we only discussed the things the team would do, rather than the things we thought they should do, it would be real slow around here.
    Now I understand your intentions of generating discussion and traffic around here by strongly pushing your agenda. The flavor of the season this time is your campaign to start Precious. Lol.

    But if my memory is right which I think it is always spot on especially when it comes to you….was it not that you brush aside and diminish other people POV and in my case, my previous posts early in the season last year about my stance on Nick Nurse strategy in defending the three point line and the distance between 0-5 feet. You were so quick to point out that it was too early and the data I have shown reflected a small sample size.

    Now here you are, laying out statistical data (in a small sample) about Precious net rating in contrast to Gary.

    Is this not hypocritical. Only for your own benefit and whatever suits your current narrative and campaign

    Nick Nurse aint changing the starting unit. Deal with that.

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  • DanH
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Seems like Precious doesn't play well with Scottie. What is Scottie's on-court net rating with Precious and with each player?
    Yeah, Scottie has definitely struggled to fit with Precious early on.

    Scottie with:
    OG +21
    Fred +17
    Gary -2
    Pascal +2
    Precious -7
    Koloko +7
    Banton +15
    Thad +6
    Juancho -14

    Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.

    Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.

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