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golden wrote: View Post
I feel like Precious could quickly become the 3rd core player, behind Scottie & Pascal. IMO, those are the 3 guys off-limits in any KD trade.
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Yuri Gagarin wrote: View PostHis feet are great on D. He has a knack for funneling guys away from the basket just enough then contests nicely.
Still not sure about his mental strength when it counts. Always thought hes the guy thatll miss a gimme in a crucial playoff game. Hopefully his two missed ft’s late in the last elimination game wasnt a harbinger of things to come
but ya what a pleasant surprise
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Feeling annoying this morning so going to put some super small sample early returns from this season here.
Precious' on-court net rating with each player (listed in order of minutes played):
Fred +23
Gary +10
Pascal +17
OG +29
Koloko -19
Banton -42
Barnes -7
Flynn -15
Boucher +4
Thad -42
Khem -48
We should stop playing Precious at PF, it seems. Generally has had a lot of struggle with the bench but killed it with the various starters, Barnes excepted (who plays in most of those bench groups). Shocking.
Will be interesting to watch to see if that trend continues.
Another trend related to the discussion:
On-off court differential net rating by player, in order of minutes played:
Fred +42
Gary -17
Pascal +8
OG +40
Precious +14
Barnes +13
Koloko -18
Banton -44
Thad -53
Flynn -17
Boucher +4
Khem +25
Juancho -56
Good news is in his one game Boucher seemed to stabilize the bench a bit. One of those top 6 guys in minutes doesn't seem to fit with the rest...
Again, interesting to keep an eye on. Wonder how long it would need to go on before the team starts to consider a change.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostSeems like Precious doesn't play well with Scottie. What is Scottie's on-court net rating with Precious and with each player?
Scottie with:
OG +21
Fred +17
Gary -2
Pascal +2
Precious -7
Koloko +7
Banton +15
Thad +6
Juancho -14
Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.
Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Yeah, Scottie has definitely struggled to fit with Precious early on.
Scottie with:
OG +21
Fred +17
Gary -2
Pascal +2
Precious -7
Koloko +7
Banton +15
Thad +6
Juancho -14
Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.
Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.DanH wrote: View Post
If we only discussed the things the team would do, rather than the things we thought they should do, it would be real slow around here.
But if my memory is right which I think it is always spot on especially when it comes to you….was it not that you brush aside and diminish other people POV and in my case, my previous posts early in the season last year about my stance on Nick Nurse strategy in defending the three point line and the distance between 0-5 feet. You were so quick to point out that it was too early and the data I have shown reflected a small sample size.
Now here you are, laying out statistical data (in a small sample) about Precious net rating in contrast to Gary.
Is this not hypocritical. Only for your own benefit and whatever suits your current narrative and campaign
Nick Nurse aint changing the starting unit. Deal with that.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Yeah, Scottie has definitely struggled to fit with Precious early on.
Scottie with:
OG +21
Fred +17
Gary -2
Pascal +2
Precious -7
Koloko +7
Banton +15
Thad +6
Juancho -14
Although you can see the trend of the transitional looks that have struggled, where OG and Fred will sit, and Pascal, Scottie and Gary don't do great with the early bench subs, vs the units where OG and Fred play with him and the bench succeeds. You can see all three of Precious, Gary and Pascal have less than impressive ratings compared to the other two. Precious definitely the worst, but looking at individual lineups the losing seems to come primarily from some small minutes lineups that got destroyed, and all of them have Precious beside Koloko. Of course, everything is tiny samples at this point.
Still, another trend worth tracking - if Scottie struggles with Precious, that's bad news whether he starts or comes off the bench, as Scottie will be a key to both looks.
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The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
Now I understand your intentions of generating discussion and traffic around here by strongly pushing your agenda. The flavor of the season this time is your campaign to start Precious. Lol.
But if my memory is right which I think it is always spot on especially when it comes to you….was it not that you brush aside and diminish other people POV and in my case, my previous posts early in the season last year about my stance on Nick Nurse strategy in defending the three point line and the distance between 0-5 feet. You were so quick to point out that it was too early and the data I have shown reflected a small sample size.
Now here you are, laying out statistical data (in a small sample) about Precious net rating in contrast to Gary.
Is this not hypocritical. Only for your own benefit and whatever suits your current narrative and campaign
Nick Nurse aint changing the starting unit. Deal with that.
Precious vs Gary we already have an entire season's sample last year, this is just building on it. But I was pretty up front about it being small samples and early trends to keep an eye on, which is exactly how I tried to label your presentation of that early season data last year and you had such a problem with.
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DanH wrote: View Post
I said it was too early to draw firm conclusions because it was.
Precious vs Gary we already have an entire season's sample last year, this is just building on it. But I was pretty up front about it being small samples and early trends to keep an eye on, which is exactly how I tried to label your presentation of that early season data last year and you had such a problem with.
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DanH wrote: View PostFeeling annoying this morning so going to put some super small sample early returns from this season here.
Precious' on-court net rating with each player (listed in order of minutes played):
Fred +23
Gary +10
Pascal +17
OG +29
Koloko -19
Banton -42
Barnes -7
Flynn -15
Boucher +4
Thad -42
Khem -48
We should stop playing Precious at PF, it seems. Generally has had a lot of struggle with the bench but killed it with the various starters, Barnes excepted (who plays in most of those bench groups). Shocking.
Will be interesting to watch to see if that trend continues.
Another trend related to the discussion:
On-off court differential net rating by player, in order of minutes played:
Fred +42
Gary -17
Pascal +8
OG +40
Precious +14
Barnes +13
Koloko -18
Banton -44
Thad -53
Flynn -17
Boucher +4
Khem +25
Juancho -56
Good news is in his one game Boucher seemed to stabilize the bench a bit. One of those top 6 guys in minutes doesn't seem to fit with the rest...
Again, interesting to keep an eye on. Wonder how long it would need to go on before the team starts to consider a change.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Sort of makes sense that both Scottie and Precious would struggle playing together since they are both non-shooters and kind of occupy the same space in the paint.
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JawsGT wrote: View Post
Yikes, Gary got to get on board with defence, pretty much confirms what I've been noticing. Hopefully that trend changes.
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The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post
Why bring it up then? Oh ok, you want to do your unwarranted due diligence this early of the season…. Game no.4 LOL
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DanH wrote: View Post
I wanted to bring it up because my qualitative observations of the lineup re: player fit and role and play style were carried out by the numbers for the entirety of last season and nothing has happened yet this season to contradict that, and wanted to establish a baseline to track the trend against as the sample builds, because I am confident based on said qualitative observations that the sample will hold up with time.
Or.... it's just another episode of: Small Sample Size Theatre.
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