Game #1 - Atlanta Hawks 102 - Toronto Raptors 109 (F)

[mcHAPPY]

Kyle is definitely more efficient than DD we all know this, but at the same time DD isn't going to shoot 25% for the whole season. We can still expect him to shoot better in the future so to me the point still stands. So to me if Kyle's bad shooting night can be ignored because we all know he will shoot better in the future so can DD's. Yes DD took bad shots but so did Kyle and both missed shots they normally hit as well. Also DD got to the line more and tried to get to the basket a lot. He wasn't completely settling for the long two.

I totally agree.

I even called out Lowry in a few posts and Ross in one of them.

Most of Lowry's dumb shots were at the beginning of the game. The crux of the issue in this situation is when the Raps got up 20 DD went away from what was working well for the TEAM. Passing and moving the ball is a thing of beauty and the Raps were excelling for 75% of the 2nd half. Ball stopping and hero ball nearly cost the game. That is just for major, major criticism. When or if Lowry/Ross/DD/Whoever does it, I intend on voicing my frustration.


Do not forget the thread was derailed by people objecting to well deserved criticism.

[GLF]

Sorry I wrote "so to me" way too many times LOL. Didn't proof read

[mcHAPPY]

Huh. Well, agree to disagree then.

np

[GLF]

Lowry eFG% 51.1 TS% 56.7%
DeROzan eFG% 45.2% TS% 53.2%


AVG PG eFG% 48.8% TS% 53.4%
AVG SG eFG% 49.5% TS% 54.0%


Lowry also had more than double WP (13.1 - 6.1).



Based on the numbers, I see a big difference on how the two should be judged.

Kyle is definitely more efficient than DD we all know this, but at the same time DD isn't going to shoot 25% for the whole season. We can still expect him to shoot better in the future so to me the point still stands. So to me if Kyle's bad shooting night can be ignored because we all know he will shoot better in the future so can DD's. Yes DD took bad shots but so did Kyle and both missed shots they normally hit as well. Also DD got to the line more and tried to get to the basket a lot. He wasn't completely settling for the long two.

[Joey]

Lowry eFG% 51.1 TS% 56.7%
DeROzan eFG% 45.2% TS% 53.2%


AVG PG eFG% 48.8% TS% 53.4%
AVG SG eFG% 49.5% TS% 54.0%


Lowry also had more than double WP (13.1 - 6.1).



Based on the numbers, I see a big difference on how the two should be judged.

Huh. Well, agree to disagree then.

[mcHAPPY]

But we should believe that Derozans 25% shooting night WILL continue?
There shouldn't be any difference between how we judge the two, considering Demar had a higher FG% last year than Kyle Lowry ... 42.9% vs. 42.3%.

Lowry eFG% 51.1 TS% 56.7%
DeROzan eFG% 45.2% TS% 53.2%


AVG PG eFG% 48.8% TS% 53.4%
AVG SG eFG% 49.5% TS% 54.0%


Lowry also had more than double WP (13.1 - 6.1).



Based on the numbers, I see a big difference on how the two should be judged.

[Cody73]

Gotta keep it going... otherwise we'll end up with nothing.

[Joey]

I've got a good temporary solution to end the cat fighting in this thread.. start a Game 2 thread. MACK11 you up for it?

I think by the rules, technically I should, since we won... buuut .. I don't know about that. Hahah

[Joey]

We have no reason to believe that Lowry's off shooting night, or Jonas' inbound pass are trends that will continue throughout the season.

But DeRozan's poor shot selection has been pretty consistent over the years. There needs to be improvement if this team wants to take the next step.

That's the difference.

But we should believe that Derozans 25% shooting night WILL continue?
There shouldn't be any difference between how we judge the two, considering Demar had a higher FG% last year than Kyle Lowry ... 42.9% vs. 42.3%.

[planetmars]

I've got a good temporary solution to end the cat fighting in this thread.. start a Game 2 thread. MACK11 you up for it?

[.40 Cal Flakes]

Lets change the tone of this thread.

Awesome lol!

[GLF]

And it's not over yet. Surely there must yet be some objective, and balanced, criticism coming of KL's "horrendous" 3/11 shooting night? No? And JV's "horrendous" lazy inbound, when he was put back in with 4:00 left, which led to an easy Teague layup, making it a 3 pt game? No? Surely the only areas that people noticed to objectively criticize aren't just a few DD plays and Casey being "stupid" for doing what every smart coach would do (lmao, that kills me).

That's the only thing that kind of bugs me. Yes DD forced some shots and didn't have a good offensive game but guys like Terrence and Kyle did the same and they have hardly gotten any criticism at all. The excuse with Kyle used to be that he did other things while DD didn't so that's why he doesn't get as much criticism. But Wednesday night DD finally did other things when his offense was struggling and he still gets more hate than Lowry, who btw had a bad shooting night as well. So what is the excuse going to be now? And Kyle forced some shots too so don't try and tell me all the shots he missed were good shots.

[Nilanka]

And it's not over yet. Surely there must yet be some objective, and balanced, criticism coming of KL's "horrendous" 3/11 shooting night? No? And JV's "horrendous" lazy inbound, when he was put back in with 4:00 left, which led to an easy Teague layup, making it a 3 pt game? No? Surely the only areas that people noticed to objectively criticize aren't just a few DD plays and Casey being "stupid" for doing what every smart coach would do (lmao, that kills me).

We have no reason to believe that Lowry's off shooting night, or Jonas' inbound pass are trends that will continue throughout the season.

But DeRozan's poor shot selection has been pretty consistent over the years. There needs to be improvement if this team wants to take the next step.

That's the difference.

[chico]

Wonder what the record for longest active game thread was? This one has been going for a week now!

And it's not over yet. Surely there must yet be some objective, and balanced, criticism coming of KL's "horrendous" 3/11 shooting night? No? And JV's "horrendous" lazy inbound, when he was put back in with 4:00 left, which led to an easy Teague layup, making it a 3 pt game? No? Surely the only areas that people noticed to objectively criticize aren't just a few DD plays and Casey being "stupid" for doing what every smart coach would do (lmao, that kills me).

[Cody73]

This is after a win, imagine how bad it'll be if we lose against the Magic.