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Preseason Game 2: Toronto Raptors @ Philadelphia 76ers - Thursday Oct 7th, 7pm ET TSN2

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  • bertarapsfan
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    We gotta remember that of the guys on the court this preseason the only dude who really have played together are OG and FVV. Yeah Trent was around after the deadline but we went right into full tank mode. He ever really got to gel with the roster. If these group of guys start to gel within the first 10 regular season games I'd be happy. Nick D requires alot of knowing and trusting your team mates with switching. It
    will look ugly for stretches till these guys get used to each other

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  • Puffer
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    We were missing talent obviously (they got to play Embiid, Harris, and we need all hands on deck this season), but the same type of defensive breakdowns happened last night as it did all of last year. We have to take care of the 3 ball. We just can't give guys open looks.
    What's the average age of the Raptors players that played 10+ minutes? How many turnovers do you expect from players in the NBA who are that average age and haven't played in more than two NBA games? The turnovers are going to get sorted out as team members get used to playing against NBA veterans, as opposed to college or Eurobasket players. Lets wait for judgement until all of the new guys have accumulated a couple hundred game time minutes. Just saying.

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  • LJ2
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    I feel like our team is similar to the Celtics who also play a small C. They've handled Philly in the playoffs for the most part during the Embiid years. Not going to get concerned over facing a big C at this point of the season.

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  • GLF
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    I definitely agree that our defence isn’t going to be that great. This defensive scheme Nurse has where we just give up open 3 after open 3 isn’t going to work. It was the same issue as last season and it’s rearing it’s ugly head again this season so far. It’s just preseason so I’ll hold out judgment but I’m not liking that I haven’t seen an adjustment on that at all

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    We were missing talent obviously (they got to play Embiid, Harris, and we need all hands on deck this season), but the same type of defensive breakdowns happened last night as it did all of last year. We have to take care of the 3 ball. We just can't give guys open looks. And Philly had a great way of finding/generating those looks. We double team too much or collapse to hard at times. We're nowhere near a top 5 defense like people think we'll have. Still think we'll be mediocre on defense collectively. Not a big fan of Nurse's schemes in that last game. But it's only preseason.

    Philly also shut down the transition game, and that will be the calling card on the Raptors unless they can get Pascal back as he's our only ISO generator (and he's not even that great).

    Not much to hang your hat on in this one. OG was okay but carless and still needs a lot of work in the paint (surprised that he only had 2 turnovers.. felt like 4 or 5.. he was partly responsible for Philly going on that big run early). Fred just wasn't doing anything impactful. Dragic still looked invisible. Trent Jr was really bad. But there is no shot that he doesn't like (and yet still went 0-5 from 3). Flynn was better I guess, but his bar is really low right now. Didn't see much from Svi this time around. Maybe the bench needed Yuta's energy? Scottie was okay. A little too foul happy early on, and that got him a seat early.

    I'd say the best player was probably Achiuawa. He did as good as a job as you can on Embiid. Was really active on the boards. Didn't really have a great game offensively but nobody really did. Still took 11 shots. But he also had 3 steals to go along with his 8 boards. OG had the most points but was still a -12 in his time on the court though.
    as usual, I appreciate your lengthy post game summary but noticed the most important detail that got inserted in the middle, hopefully I am sure not your intention to hide it UNLIKE coaches and his surrogate head coach hiding his flaws as a point guard

    that said I am highlighting it for you

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  • MixxAOR
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    It's pretty remarkable that Derozan developed a pick and roll game in one offseason. None of our guys right now have pnr game lol

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  • inthepaint
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    If I'm not mistaken Gasol is unsigned and could be had for the vet minimum. JV not so much.

    If having someone to stop big opposing centers is a major need for this team, as many seem to feel, then let's sign Gasol to the vet min and be done with it.

    He's proven he can do it at a very high level, and if that's all we ask of him I have no doubt he won't disappoint.

    I'm fine running with the guys we've got but if we need a defensive big man Gasol is the guy.
    Yeah but are you talking about 2018-2019 Gasol or 2021-2022 Gasol? They're different players. The latter is washed, fouls a lot, and is too much of a negative on the offensive end. We noticed it here on his last year, and Lakers confirmed that the year after. I also think he would prefer play in Spain rather than in a non-contending team on a vet minimum. I'm on the camp of running with the best overall players available to us, and right now for better or worse it's this group.

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  • planetmars
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    We were missing talent obviously (they got to play Embiid, Harris, and we need all hands on deck this season), but the same type of defensive breakdowns happened last night as it did all of last year. We have to take care of the 3 ball. We just can't give guys open looks. And Philly had a great way of finding/generating those looks. We double team too much or collapse to hard at times. We're nowhere near a top 5 defense like people think we'll have. Still think we'll be mediocre on defense collectively. Not a big fan of Nurse's schemes in that last game. But it's only preseason.

    Philly also shut down the transition game, and that will be the calling card on the Raptors unless they can get Pascal back as he's our only ISO generator (and he's not even that great).

    Not much to hang your hat on in this one. OG was okay but carless and still needs a lot of work in the paint (surprised that he only had 2 turnovers.. felt like 4 or 5.. he was partly responsible for Philly going on that big run early). Fred just wasn't doing anything impactful. Dragic still looked invisible. Trent Jr was really bad. But there is no shot that he doesn't like (and yet still went 0-5 from 3). Flynn was better I guess, but his bar is really low right now. Didn't see much from Svi this time around. Maybe the bench needed Yuta's energy? Scottie was okay. A little too foul happy early on, and that got him a seat early.

    I'd say the best player was probably Achiuawa. He did as good as a job as you can on Embiid. Was really active on the boards. Didn't really have a great game offensively but nobody really did. Still took 11 shots. But he also had 3 steals to go along with his 8 boards. OG had the most points but was still a -12 in his time on the court though.

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  • Primer
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    golden wrote: View Post

    JV pretty much plays Embiid to a draw, when you consider that he limits Embiid's scoring well below other C defenders not named Marc Gasol, he scores very efficiently on him and gets Embiid in foul trouble.
    If I'm not mistaken Gasol is unsigned and could be had for the vet minimum. JV not so much.

    If having someone to stop big opposing centers is a major need for this team, as many seem to feel, then let's sign Gasol to the vet min and be done with it.

    He's proven he can do it at a very high level, and if that's all we ask of him I have no doubt he won't disappoint.

    I'm fine running with the guys we've got but if we need a defensive big man Gasol is the guy.

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  • MixxAOR
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    Here's the other thing that limits the opponent's offensive boards: they have to get back quickly because the Raptors strong transition offence. If the opposing team hangs around trying to box out or put too much man power trying to get the offensive board they better grab it, otherwise it's 2 or 3 points for the Raptors in transition very quickly. This alone will make a big difference on our defensive boards.

    I agree with what others said before: We don't need a nominal lumbering Centre here, that would hurt us in different areas way more than help. Embiid is an exception in this league, he's an mvp caliber player. The way to contain him is through doubling, smart team defence, and speed/athleticism. Finding a random low-quality, slow and heavy 7 footer just to foul him is not a solution.

    Like others said, not only they certainly would not contain Embiid, they would also take away minutes from better players on our team, limit the switchabilty, and slow our transition game. The way to win more games is to play your 5 best players more often.
    The idea that people were throwing out was to protect other bigs from foul trouble but you putting your team in bonus. Fouling is bad defense. If you want a good defensive centre he better not foul. This is like goon strategy in hockey or something? Just put guy out there to hurt a guy a couple of times? lol

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  • inthepaint
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    Then there's Eric Koreen's article in the Athletic after the game:

    "Joel Embiid and Andre Drummond, two of the more physically imposing centres in the league for whom the Raptors have no physical answer, combined to play 40 minutes for the Sixers. Yet despite that size differential, Toronto grabbed 13 offensive rebounds to Philadelphia’s 11. The more you think about the Raptors’ collection of quick, brawny, aggressive forwards, the more an all-out attack on the glass makes sense."
    Here's the other thing that limits the opponent's offensive boards: they have to get back quickly because the Raptors strong transition offence. If the opposing team hangs around trying to box out or put too much man power trying to get the offensive board they better grab it, otherwise it's 2 or 3 points for the Raptors in transition very quickly. This alone will make a big difference on our defensive boards.

    I agree with what others said before: We don't need a nominal lumbering Centre here, that would hurt us in different areas way more than help. Embiid is an exception in this league, he's an mvp caliber player. The way to contain him is through doubling, smart team defence, and speed/athleticism. Finding a random low-quality, slow and heavy 7 footer just to foul him is not a solution.

    Like others said, not only they certainly would not contain Embiid, they would also take away minutes from better players on our team, limit the switchabilty, and slow our transition game. The way to win more games is to play your 5 best players more often.

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  • golden
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post

    How do you insert this in a post? You have to teach me how to do this

    I like to post comparison of Van Vleet and JJ Barea lol
    Fred's comparison isn't JJ Barea, it's Patty Mills, i.e., FVV is Patty Mills with better D and unlimited USG & minutes. They are pretty much doppelgangers.



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  • golden
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    So the obvious answer is sign Marc Gasol to the end of the bench to play against Embiid. He's at least proven he can do it effectively. If you wanna stop Embiid then Gasol is the answer.
    JV pretty much plays Embiid to a draw, when you consider that he limits Embiid's scoring well below other C defenders not named Marc Gasol, he scores very efficiently on him and gets Embiid in foul trouble.

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  • Puffer
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    Then there's Eric Koreen's article in the Athletic after the game:

    "Joel Embiid and Andre Drummond, two of the more physically imposing centres in the league for whom the Raptors have no physical answer, combined to play 40 minutes for the Sixers. Yet despite that size differential, Toronto grabbed 13 offensive rebounds to Philadelphia’s 11. The more you think about the Raptors’ collection of quick, brawny, aggressive forwards, the more an all-out attack on the glass makes sense."

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  • Puffer
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    grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Banton Trent Barnes siakiam Myles turner
    off the bench
    Fred yuta Bouche birch svi

    maybe we can make some moves half way threw the season ?
    I'm thinking maybe play the other three preseason games before we revamp the team.

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