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  • bertarapsfan
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Good summary. Vince was fun but he was never a killer - far from it. From that perspective, there maybe is no "What if?" with him and T-Mac. I don't think those guys had enough MJ/Kobe/Lebron/Kawhi in them to win a chip, even paired up. Were Vince & T-Mac ever going to top the Kobe/Shaq Lakers? Duncan's Spurs? The peak Pistons? More likely Toronto would have been Lob City North.

    It is interesting how winning a chip in Toronto can affect how former players look back on their time here and what might have been. They can't really blame Toronto/Canada for not peaking when Kawhi & Co. showed them it can be done. Get those Chris Bosh/Antonio Davis excuses outta here.
    If T-Mac and Vince both are here i think we would have had a pretty good chance to at least make the finals in those back to back Net years.
    But i think the what if for vince is he will think he could have been a 1 team legend who never left. Even if he wasn't as good as Kobe, Dirk and Duncan and even if he end without a ring. He would be one of the few stars who stayed with a team his whole career and no doubt left a better legacy. I'm sure he would have preferred that over moving team to team on 1-2 year deals never apart of a long term plan and only brought in to add a veteran presence.

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  • S.R.
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
    Looking back on all of it i don't think i would have wanted to situation to play out any different.
    In the end we Won, Vince never did, Tracy never did. Both willl always think back and go damn what if we could have had one.

    Vince's best year were here but he fucked us and MLSE and Babcock fucked him. We got rid of bad apples in the F.O and Vince left to boos. He had to live with coming back to his original team and get torn apart for 10 years. We forgave him eventually but he still had to live with his choice. He became a journey man bouncing team to team and although he will be a hall of famer he never lived up to his full potential if he maybe would have stuck it out in T.O.

    Vince watched Demar, a player with much less raw skill replace him. Deebo did it with hard work and a archaic mid range game. Vince had flash dunks and a tendenacy to half ass it.

    But now we still reap the benefits of Vince as Canada Basketball fans, Jamal Murray, SGA,R.J Barret, Tristan Thompson, Cory Joesph and Andrew Wiggins will make that clear.

    In the end Vince helped put us on the map maybe unlike the Grizz we wouldn't have sold but he certainly helped make sure we didnt. We got young Canadian talent inspired by him, We got our championship.

    Vince career will always be a what if to him, great player but maybe something squander. Could be a story to tell to future young players looking to leave a team.
    I forgave him, but i still don't want his jersey to be the 1st in the rafters. When he finally does get his jersey up hopefully after someone else then we can finally write the final chapter of this story.
    Good summary. Vince was fun but he was never a killer - far from it. From that perspective, there maybe is no "What if?" with him and T-Mac. I don't think those guys had enough MJ/Kobe/Lebron/Kawhi in them to win a chip, even paired up. Were Vince & T-Mac ever going to top the Kobe/Shaq Lakers? Duncan's Spurs? The peak Pistons? More likely Toronto would have been Lob City North.

    It is interesting how winning a chip in Toronto can affect how former players look back on their time here and what might have been. They can't really blame Toronto/Canada for not peaking when Kawhi & Co. showed them it can be done. Get those Chris Bosh/Antonio Davis excuses outta here.

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  • bertarapsfan
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    Looking back on all of it i don't think i would have wanted to situation to play out any different.
    In the end we Won, Vince never did, Tracy never did. Both willl always think back and go damn what if we could have had one.

    Vince's best year were here but he fucked us and MLSE and Babcock fucked him. We got rid of bad apples in the F.O and Vince left to boos. He had to live with coming back to his original team and get torn apart for 10 years. We forgave him eventually but he still had to live with his choice. He became a journey man bouncing team to team and although he will be a hall of famer he never lived up to his full potential if he maybe would have stuck it out in T.O.

    Vince watched Demar, a player with much less raw skill replace him. Deebo did it with hard work and a archaic mid range game. Vince had flash dunks and a tendenacy to half ass it.

    But now we still reap the benefits of Vince as Canada Basketball fans, Jamal Murray, SGA,R.J Barret, Tristan Thompson, Cory Joesph and Andrew Wiggins will make that clear.

    In the end Vince helped put us on the map maybe unlike the Grizz we wouldn't have sold but he certainly helped make sure we didnt. We got young Canadian talent inspired by him, We got our championship.

    Vince career will always be a what if to him, great player but maybe something squander. Could be a story to tell to future young players looking to leave a team.
    I forgave him, but i still don't want his jersey to be the 1st in the rafters. When he finally does get his jersey up hopefully after someone else then we can finally write the final chapter of this story.

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  • G__Deane
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    HogieTime wrote: View Post
    https://youtu.be/lPHSr2keNBY

    Pretty interesting video about Carter. Kind of makes you hate him again during the video lol
    "Sometimes my teammates think I'm faking it" (when I lay on the floor writhing in pain so many times and get up limping off)"
    Man, I remember so many times rolling my eyes as he was bumped and lay on the floor rolling around and teammates would turn their back and walk away lol

    That's a pretty good video that clearly shows why some fans still boo quitter-carter and many have forgiven. But it helps remember all his Mom's interference, Vince pouting and trying to decide management and coaching, admitting he didn't put in the work and tried to get by on talent etc. Even fan boys can get a bit of perspective through it lol

    Rafa, Pasta man (ouch), seeing Oak and Antonio Davis, McGrady, Bosh and the beginnings of DeMar/Kyle, great stuff.

    Man what could have been

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  • HogieTime
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    https://youtu.be/lPHSr2keNBY

    Pretty interesting video about Carter. Kind of makes you hate him again during the video lol

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  • G__Deane
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    Maury wrote: View Post

    The fact that you can't stop thinking about him proves how good he was.
    He only even crosses my mind when someone tries to foist some fake nostalgia memories on fans
    Can't stop thinking about him LOL

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  • Maury
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post

    What level of game?

    Media likes to romanticize his longevity but the reality is, Vince was dropping just 5-8 PPG over 16-25 minutes (not insignificant minutes) over the last 6 seasons. He bumped around and hung on and collected pay cheques.

    Hadn't had great stats in 10 years.

    7 team career.

    Won nothing....but a dunk contest.

    Hot take? Top 10 over rated player of all time.
    The fact that you can't stop thinking about him proves how good he was.

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  • G__Deane
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    guyroch wrote: View Post
    Watching Paul Pearce playing horse and he is the same age as Vince . It must impress everyone even more the level of game Vince was able to maintain .
    What level of game?

    Media likes to romanticize his longevity but the reality is, Vince was dropping just 5-8 PPG over 16-25 minutes (not insignificant minutes) over the last 6 seasons. He bumped around and hung on and collected pay cheques.

    Hadn't had great stats in 10 years.

    7 team career.

    Won nothing....but a dunk contest.

    Hot take? Top 10 over rated player of all time.

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  • guyroch
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    Watching Paul Pearce playing horse and he is the same age as Vince . It must impress everyone even more the level of game Vince was able to maintain .

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  • planetmars
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    It's too bad prime Lowry never played with Bosh. That duo would have done some damage.

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  • LJ2
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Have to do a statistical breakdown of the two.

    DeMar: 9 seasons, 4x all-star, 2x all-nba (2 & 3), 3x POTM, 10x POTW

    19.7ppg, 4.1rpg, 3.1apg, 54.0 WS, 17.7 PER, 12.5 VORP


    Chris: 7 seasons, 5x all-star, 1x all-nba (2), 1x all-rookie, 1x POTM, 7x POTW

    20.2ppg, 9.4rpg, 2.2apg, 61.8 WS, 21.3 PER, 19.6 VORP


    DeMar has better longevity stats and with more winning teams, but played 2 more years. Chris has better stats all around. He just never got to play with Lowry.

    I'd take Chris as the better statistical player. But DeMar meant more because he was part of a winning organization and actually wanted to be here. That matters too.
    I give Bosh the win here in this head to head match because he was solid at both offense and defense. DeMar just could never contribute on the defensive end. Demar will always get the feel good vote for wanting to be here.

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  • planetmars
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    Have to do a statistical breakdown of the two.

    DeMar: 9 seasons, 4x all-star, 2x all-nba (2 & 3), 3x POTM, 10x POTW

    19.7ppg, 4.1rpg, 3.1apg, 54.0 WS, 17.7 PER, 12.5 VORP


    Chris: 7 seasons, 5x all-star, 1x all-nba (2), 1x all-rookie, 1x POTM, 7x POTW

    20.2ppg, 9.4rpg, 2.2apg, 61.8 WS, 21.3 PER, 19.6 VORP


    DeMar has better longevity stats and with more winning teams, but played 2 more years. Chris has better stats all around. He just never got to play with Lowry.

    I'd take Chris as the better statistical player. But DeMar meant more because he was part of a winning organization and actually wanted to be here. That matters too.

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  • G__Deane
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Was just thinking on my drive into work this morning who was the better and more impactful player for the Raptors, DeMar or Bosh. DD had the benefit of being surrounded by better players, coaches and management, and he wanted to be here so is often talked about being the greatest Raptor of all time or ranked closely behind Lowry or Kawhi. Who do you think was the better player? I actually think it was Bosh.
    Bosh disrespected Toronto from the moment he left, multiple times since and even recently. I don't care to think where he ranks as a Raptor player at the moment even without thinking of him as just another ring chaser who helped create the current super team issue.

    I'll take DeMar

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  • LJ2
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    Was just thinking on my drive into work this morning who was the better and more impactful player for the Raptors, DeMar or Bosh. DD had the benefit of being surrounded by better players, coaches and management, and he wanted to be here so is often talked about being the greatest Raptor of all time or ranked closely behind Lowry or Kawhi. Who do you think was the better player? I actually think it was Bosh.

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  • G__Deane
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    The Great One wrote: View Post
    I can't remember if it was The RInger or some other NBA podcast, but they talked about Vince Carter's career. Did you know that Vince's last all star appearance was in 2007? 13 years ago. That's crazy.
    Yeah he should have retired years ago instead of milking contracts on bad teams

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