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golden wrote: View Post
Sure, but of those 4 factors, teams usually make eFG% (i.e. getting high percentage shots & now 3-pt shooting) the priority. Some teams/players (*cough* Harden/Trae) focus on getting to the FT line. But I don't know if a team has put such an emphasis on generating turnovers and grabbing OREBs and building a roster with players who have the physical tools and mindset to execute.
It's been the rule of thumb in football and hockey for awhile now, and it to me, that type of defense and aggressive play has way less variance than the Moreyball "just keep shooting 3s!!!" model. Eventually others will probably catch on, but then again, this is the league that took over 30 years to figure out 35% from 3 > 45% from 29 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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golden wrote: View Post
Sure, but of those 4 factors, teams usually make eFG% (i.e. getting high percentage shots & now 3-pt shooting) the priority. Some teams/players (*cough* Harden/Trae) focus on getting to the FT line. But I don't know if a team has put such an emphasis on generating turnovers and grabbing OREBs and building a roster with players who have the physical tools and mindset to execute.
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Good thread.
Adjusting your defence to actually try to force turnovers only works on well grounded defences (as the raps defence this year). The reason is that when you're actually actively trying to get the opponent to fumble the ball (as opposed just focusing on making their path to the basket more difficult), you're taking a risk (often referred to as "gambling"), that when you don't get the steal/turnover, it opens the path to your basket. The thing is the raps have an intricate, physically demanding, positionless defensive rotation of guys on any given possession that typically closes the door for that, with fast, lengthy help defenders, if the steal doesn't happen.
Doesn't work with a bunch of 32+ year old players taking breaks on D, but it works with this group.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
Which just seems insane to me that it took this long. Possession is 9/10th of the law. Best defense is a good offense. You can't get scored on when you have the ball. Yada yada.
It's been the rule of thumb in football and hockey for awhile now, and it to me, that type of defense and aggressive play has way less variance than the Moreyball "just keep shooting 3s!!!" model. Eventually others will probably catch on, but then again, this is the league that took over 30 years to figure out 35% from 3 > 45% from 2
You can already see this approach catching teams off guard in the regular season, but if you have to play the same team back-to-back, they'll remember how they got punched in the mouth and play harder & smarter the next time. Playoffs could really expose that strategy, so you still need super-talented guys who can get buckets (i.e. eFG%) in the half-court.
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Well if Raptors are able to control defensive rebounds and keep their own turnovers in check then with their defense they will have a chance in every game. FG% and FTA depends on our talent level but they can affect opposing team's FG% and FTA. Can they shut down opposing teams consistenly? That's the question.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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golden wrote: View Post
The question is if it's a sustainable strategy.... because there is an potential flaw on largely relying on turnovers and OREBs as a way for your team to win in the margins: the success of that approach can be largely out of your control. If the opposition coach decides to make taking care of the ball, boxing out, gang rebounding and getting back in transition a top priority, then those are all coachable problems that can be corrected.
You can already see this approach catching teams off guard in the regular season, but if you have to play the same team back-to-back, they'll remember how they got punched in the mouth and play harder & smarter the next time. Playoffs could really expose that strategy, so you still need super-talented guys who can get buckets (i.e. eFG%) in the half-court.
Really tough to say with the OREB%. It hasn't necessarily been a point of emphasis the last couple seasons. Whether that's changed is hard to say based on 8 games. It could also be it's just a function of wanting these kinds of players for 75 other reasons and one of the unintended consequences or ancillary benefits being more offensive rebounds.
I just don't agree with the position being posited here (as I understand it) that there's any major philosophical change to rely on those facets of the game over others or that they are creating a team with that being the end game.
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I don't know that it's a new philosophy. It might be the first time a team has been able to accomplish it to this degree though.
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DanH wrote: View PostI don't know that it's a new philosophy. It might be the first time a team has been able to accomplish it to this degree though.Last edited by LJ2; Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:23 PM.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostSpeaking of what's sustainable or not. Is elite half-court offense historically an indicator of winning in playoffs?
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