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  • Kagemusha
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    big boi wrote: View Post

    Getting down in to a defensive stance is defense 101, you can't move backwards or side to side effectively otherwise, you can't keep the opponent in front of you - you can't play defense
    You know there's a whole lot more to just getting down to defensive stance.
    If it's that simple, why isn't every team successful on defense?

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    Yes.

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  • KHD
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    "mo shats" is not a new idea

    (but it is a good idea)
    Last edited by KHD; Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:36 AM.

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  • Mapko
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    golden wrote: View Post

    The question is if it's a sustainable strategy.... because there is an potential flaw on largely relying on turnovers and OREBs as a way for your team to win in the margins: the success of that approach can be largely out of your control. If the opposition coach decides to make taking care of the ball, boxing out, gang rebounding and getting back in transition a top priority, then those are all coachable problems that can be corrected.

    You can already see this approach catching teams off guard in the regular season, but if you have to play the same team back-to-back, they'll remember how they got punched in the mouth and play harder & smarter the next time. Playoffs could really expose that strategy, so you still need super-talented guys who can get buckets (i.e. eFG%) in the half-court.
    1. Is it sustainable? Why not? A whole lot of new guys learning new system. What happens in 30-40 games when they get the hang of it?
    2. Opposition coaches will adjust. How? Maybe?
    I'm sure they "encourage" players not to turn the ball over anyways.
    You may have to change strategy all together. You dump the ball in the middle to say Sabonis -too many busy hands all over. What else? I guess more contested 3 pointers.
    Box out & gang rebound. OK -but no fast breaks for you either.
    Get back in transition. -Guess who wins a fast break race between say Gobert & Achiuva? Randle & Barnes? Embiid & Birch? See where this is going? Especially when you consider To can roll out 10-12 guys. There is no chance Gobert or Randle or Embiid can sustain that pace for 35 mins. Sure those guys will have an edge on offense for a while, but there is a price to be paid.
    We have a small number of solid offensive players that happened to be good on D too (Siakam when back, OG, FVV, Barnes, Trent). Rest -cause chaos on D with busy hands, steals, OR, fast break. When you get tired -take a break.
    Somebody earlier mention "Mr fun guy" - def a good pattern to follow on D

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  • Mapko
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    That's exactly what I'm talking about. The entire Raptors approach seems focused on generating additional shots as a way to get an advantage. My goodness once our non shooters learn to shoot we will lay waste to the NBA. Okay I might be getting carried away....but I'm excited.
    Scary, isn't it

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  • Mapko
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I don't know that it's a new philosophy. It might be the first time a team has been able to accomplish it to this degree though.
    All bunch of 6'9" guys with super long arms & high energy/motor have anything to do with it?

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  • big boi
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    Kagemusha wrote: View Post

    Kudos to Nurse for implementing this defensive method. I think he stole a trick or two from Kawhi as well. That fun guy not only brought us a chip, he also influenced us in many ways.
    The league changes in officiating also helps us on defense so far.
    Getting down in to a defensive stance is defense 101, you can't move backwards or side to side effectively otherwise, you can't keep the opponent in front of you - you can't play defense

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    Code:
                                              
    Rk                      Player Pos  Tm TS%V
    1                   Seth Curry  SG PHI .758
    2                  Rudy Gobert   C UTA .754
    3               Richaun Holmes   C SAC .735
    4                 JaVale McGee   C PHO .721
    5                Jarrett Allen   C CLE .716
    6                 Kemba Walker  PG NYK .683
    7            LaMarcus Aldridge   C BRK .682
    8                 Nikola Jokic   C DEN .681
    9              Carmelo Anthony  PF LAL .679
    10                 Eric Gordon  SG HOU .669
    11            Montrezl Harrell   C WAS .669
    12            Domantas Sabonis   C IND .664
    13                Kevin Durant  PF BRK .663
    14                John Collins  PF ATL .661
    15          Karl-Anthony Towns   C MIN .656
    16                 Mike Conley  PG UTA .651
    17               Mikal Bridges  SF PHO .649
    18             Anfernee Simons  SG POR .649
    19               Norman Powell  SF POR .644
    20               Deandre Ayton   C PHO .642
    21             Harrison Barnes  PF SAC .639
    22               Georges Niang  PF PHI .639
    23                Myles Turner   C IND .638
    24               Nassir Little  SF POR .634
    25                Jakob Poeltl   C SAS .632
    26                  RJ Barrett  SF NYK .631
    27                    Mo Bamba   C ORL .627
    28                 Buddy Hield  SG SAC .627
    29                Jimmy Butler  SF MIA .622
    30             Pat Connaughton  SG MIL .622
    31       Giannis Antetokounmpo  PF MIL .621
    32                  Damion Lee  SG GSW .620
    33             P.J. Washington  PF CHO .617
    34    Kentavious Caldwell-Pope  SG WAS .616
    35                 Cody Martin  SF CHO .616
    36                   Ja Morant  PG MEM .616
    37          Wendell Carter Jr.   C ORL .614
    38                 Zach LaVine  SG CHI .614
    39                Desmond Bane  SF MEM .611
    40              Gordon Hayward  SF CHO .611
    41                Luke Kennard  SG LAC .611
    42                Franz Wagner  SF ORL .611
    43                 Alex Caruso  PG CHI .609
    44               Dwight Powell   C DAL .609
    45           Bogdan Bogdanovic  SG ATL .606
    46                 Jeremy Lamb  SF IND .606
    47               Tobias Harris  PF PHI .605
    48                  Trey Lyles  PF DET .604
    49               Stephen Curry  PG GSW .602
    50                 Paul George  SF LAC .602
    51                Steven Adams   C MEM .601
    52                Jaylen Brown  SF BOS .598
    53                Cole Anthony  PG ORL .596
    54                 Patty Mills  PG BRK .594
    55           Jonas Valanciunas   C NOP .593
    56              Draymond Green  PF GSW .591
    57                Aaron Gordon  PF DEN .590
    58                 Bam Adebayo   C MIA .589
    59               Miles Bridges  PF CHO .589
    60                Jusuf Nurkic   C POR .589
    61              Furkan Korkmaz  SG PHI .588
    62                 Cam Reddish  SF ATL .588
    63            Bojan Bogdanovic  PF UTA .586
    64                  Chris Paul  PG PHO .586
    65              Scottie Barnes  PF TOR .585
    66                 Ivica Zubac   C LAC .582
    67               DeMar DeRozan  SF CHI .580
    68                 Tyler Herro  SG MIA .578
    69                Tyrese Maxey  PG PHI .577
    70                 Joel Embiid   C PHI .576
    71                James Harden  PG BRK .569
    72                  Alec Burks  SG NYK .568
    73               Terrence Ross  SG ORL .568
    74               Grayson Allen  SG MIL .564
    75                LeBron James  SF LAL .564
    76                    Naz Reid   C MIN .564
    77              Christian Wood   C HOU .562
    78               Evan Fournier  SG NYK .561
    79                Derrick Rose  PG NYK .561
    80                Clint Capela   C ATL .559
    81                Kelly Olynyk   C DET .559
    82     Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  PG OKC .558
    83              Isaiah Stewart   C DET .558
    84                 George Hill  SG MIL .557
    85                 CJ McCollum  SG POR .557
    86                  Al Horford   C BOS .555
    87                  Lonzo Ball  PG CHI .554
    88               Kent Bazemore  SF LAL .551
    89           Spencer Dinwiddie  PG WAS .551
    90            Tim Hardaway Jr.  SG DAL .551
    91                  Kyle Lowry  PG MIA .551
    92                 Evan Mobley  PF CLE .551
    93                Monte Morris  PG DEN .551
    94             Malcolm Brogdon  PG IND .550
    95               Jalen Brunson  PG DAL .550
    96               Anthony Davis   C LAL .549
    97                 Will Barton  SG DEN .547
    98                Chris Duarte  SG IND .547
    99              Andrew Wiggins  SF GSW .547
    100                LaMelo Ball  PG CHO .543
    101             Justin Holiday  SF IND .543
    102             Darius Garland  PG CLE .542
    103              Julius Randle  PF NYK .542
    104             Alperen Sengun   C HOU .541
    105              Collin Sexton  SG CLE .540
    106                 Jeff Green   C DEN .538
    107             Brandon Ingram  SF NOP .536
    108           Donovan Mitchell  SG UTA .536
    109              Lonnie Walker  SG SAS .534
    110            Kelly Oubre Jr.  SF CHO .533
    111              Derrick White  SG SAS .532
    112                 Trae Young  PG ATL .529
    113            Duncan Robinson  SG MIA .528
    114            Khris Middleton  SF MIL .527
    115           DeAnthony Melton  SG MEM .526
    116            Markieff Morris  PF MIA .526
    117               Daniel Theis   C HOU .525
    118                 OG Anunoby  SF TOR .519
    119               JaeSean Tate  SF HOU .518
    120              Fred VanVleet  PG TOR .517
    121            Dennis Schroder  SG BOS .516
    122                 Kyle Kuzma  PF WAS .513
    123             Devonte Graham  PG NOP .512
    124          Tyrese Haliburton  SG SAC .510
    125                  Raul Neto  PG WAS .509
    126             Reggie Bullock  SF DAL .508
    127              Devin Vassell  SF SAS .508
    128                Luka Doncic  PG DAL .507
    129               Josh Jackson  SF DET .507
    130             Gary Trent Jr.  SG TOR .505
    131                 Joe Harris  SF BRK .502
    132               Jerami Grant  PF DET .501
    133                Jae Crowder  PF PHO .499
    134            Dejounte Murray  PG SAS .499
    135           Kevin Porter Jr.  PG HOU .499
    136            Anthony Edwards  SG MIN .497
    137              Nicolas Batum  PF LAC .496
    138               Devin Booker  SG PHO .495
    139                Josh Giddey  SG OKC .495
    140                Cory Joseph  PG DET .495
    141                 Malik Monk  SG LAL .495
    142              Mason Plumlee   C CHO .495
    143             T.J. McConnell  PG IND .493
    144                Ricky Rubio  PG CLE .489
    145          Russell Westbrook  PG LAL .485
    146                Jalen Green  SG HOU .484
    147             Keldon Johnson  SF SAS .484
    148            Lauri Markkanen  PF CLE .483
    149                 Kevin Love  PF CLE .481
    150               Jayson Tatum  SF BOS .479
    151          Jaren Jackson Jr.  PF MEM .478
    152               Jordan Nwora  SF MIL .475
    153              Luguentz Dort  SF OKC .474
    154               Jordan Poole  SG GSW .474
    155                 Saddiq Bey  SF DET .471
    156           Kenrich Williams  SF OKC .470
    157               Bradley Beal  SG WAS .468
    158              Malik Beasley  SG MIN .468
    159             DeAndre Hunter  SF ATL .465
    160             Nikola Vucevic   C CHI .465
    161               R.J. Hampton  SG ORL .463
    162             Damian Lillard  PG POR .461
    163              Darius Bazley  PF OKC .458
    164               Terance Mann  SF LAC .455
    165            DAngelo Russell  PG MIN .455
    166              Kyle Anderson  PF MEM .452
    167            Davion Mitchell  PG SAC .441
    168                Jalen Suggs  PG ORL .439
    169               Eric Bledsoe  PG LAC .436
    170   Nickeil Alexander-Walker  SG NOP .433
    171            Cameron Johnson  PF PHO .433
    172            Jordan Clarkson  SG UTA .431
    173        Dorian Finney-Smith  PF DAL .425
    174                DeAaron Fox  PG SAC .425
    175               Marcus Smart  PG BOS .425
    176         Michael Porter Jr.  SF DEN .414
    177              Frank Jackson  PG DET .411
    178             Reggie Jackson  SG LAC .409
    179          Immanuel Quickley  PG NYK .406
    180              Chris Boucher  PF TOR .405
    181                  Ish Smith  PG CHO .401
    182         Kristaps Porzingis  PF DAL .397
    183           Precious Achiuwa   C TOR .388
    184              Killian Hayes  PG DET .380
    185              Kevin Huerter  SG ATL .338
    Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
    Generated 11/3/2021.

    Scottie is no. 65

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  • DanH
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Just realized once our FG% increases our OREB will naturally drop lol
    Well, sure, but if our OREB% stays consistent that's still a huge win.

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  • LJ2
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Just realized once our FG% increases our OREB will naturally drop lol
    Yes, and that's a really good thing. OREB is just one way to create additional shot attempts so not worried it will take away from their strategy (if that is their strategy)

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  • KeonClark
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Just realized once our FG% increases our OREB will naturally drop lol
    Yeah, that's what people fail to realize is there is a strong correlation between the teams at the top of O reb and at the bottom of fg%

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  • MixxAOR
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    Just realized once our FG% increases our OREB will naturally drop lol

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  • Primer
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    Speaking of what's sustainable or not. Is elite half-court offense historically an indicator of winning in playoffs?
    I think with the new defensive rules half-court offense isn't as potent. So if refs call the playoff games like they are now you won't need elite half-court offense.

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  • MixxAOR
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    Speaking of what's sustainable or not. Is elite half-court offense historically an indicator of winning in playoffs?

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  • LJ2
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I don't know that it's a new philosophy. It might be the first time a team has been able to accomplish it to this degree though.
    Maybe not new, but I don't think it's received the attention or discussion it deserves on the forums. You can draw a lot of ideas from the teams game strategy, to how/why minutes are delegated to certain players to potential draft or free agent targets. It's only been 8 games so a small sample but the numbers, as basic as the ones I've looked at are, seem to support it. It's something I'll be keeping an eye on.
    Last edited by LJ2; Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:23 PM.

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