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  • chico wrote: View Post
    As reported by NYs rag, the Daily News, based on anonymous sources. "Proof" is pretty flimsy if one is relying upon rumours in a rag. Did Woj, THE NY based insider confirm this in any way? Seems like rumours becoming "truth" via the internet again, unless there's more substance than that. "Evil"? Nah, misguided maybe
    At the very least, Woj reported that the Raps and Knicks were discussing a Lowry trade, and went into specifics about which parts would be moving.

    Either way you look at it, it's very clear that Masai was looking to ship Lowry. And unless you think highly of Felton and Shumpert, the intention wasn't to win more games.

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    • Nilanka wrote: View Post
      At the very least, Woj reported that the Raps and Knicks were discussing a Lowry trade, and went into specifics about which parts would be moving.

      Either way you look at it, it's very clear that Masai was looking to ship Lowry. And unless you think highly of Felton and Shumpert, the intention wasn't to win more games.
      Thing is, "Raps and Knicks were discussing a Lowry trade" could mean nothing more than the Knicks calling MU, MU doing due diligence and feeling them out, then Dolan jumping in and saying NO WAY before anything was even close real development. It's the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS for heavens sake, where stirring up shit, based on the flimsiest of rumours, or even inventing rumours, is the norm. Not much to grasp on to there, to be so sure Masai "WAS tanking".

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      • chico wrote: View Post
        Thing is, "Raps and Knicks were discussing a Lowry trade" could mean nothing more than the Knicks calling MU, MU doing due diligence and feeling them out, then Dolan jumping in and saying NO WAY before anything was even close real development. It's the NEW YORK DAILY NEWS for heavens sake, where stirring up shit, based on the flimsiest of rumours, or even inventing rumours, is the norm. Not much to grasp on to there, to be so sure Masai "WAS tanking".
        Forget the Daily News. Woj reported the rumour as well. He makes a habit and NOT reporting random, daily GM conversations which you seem to think this was.

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        • What did Woj say?

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          • chico wrote: View Post
            What did Woj say?
            I'm pretty sure even Masai has openly discussed this as happening ... will look around if I get a few minutes.

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            • chico wrote: View Post
              What did Woj say?
              The New York Knicks are pursuing Toronto point guard Kyle Lowry with a package of Raymond Felton, Metta World Peace and a 2018 first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

              Kyle Lowry is averaging 14.6 points and 6.7 assists. (USA Today)

              The Knicks refused a Raptors proposal that would've included Iman Shumpert and Felton, sources told Yahoo Sports. WIthout a first-round pick or Shumpert, there is no traction for a deal. The Knicks have no appetite for including Shumpert or rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. in a package.
              http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-...204933654.html

              There's even mention of a Masai offer being rejected. Sounds like more than just "listening" on Masai's part, doesn't it?

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              • chico wrote: View Post
                What did Woj say?
                As New York Knicks executives work to convince owner Jim Dolan he should ignore public criticism and complete a deal for Kyle Lowry, the Brooklyn Nets are gaining traction as a possible destination for the Toronto Raptors point guard, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

                Dolan became livid over the public disclosure of the deal terms and became aware over some segments of reaction that deemed the package a third straight debacle in dealing with Raptors general manager Masai Ujiri, sources said.



                http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-...205619773.html

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                • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                  At the very least, Woj reported that the Raps and Knicks were discussing a Lowry trade, and went into specifics about which parts would be moving.

                  Either way you look at it, it's very clear that Masai was looking to ship Lowry. And unless you think highly of Felton and Shumpert, the intention wasn't to win more games.
                  For your archives...

                  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...le-lowry-trade


                  2 names who appear amidst a slew reporting on the Lowry trade possibility were Stein of ESPN & Howard Beck of New York Times...both fairly "reputable" as far as NY trade confab

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                  • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                    Forget the Daily News. Woj reported the rumour as well. He makes a habit and NOT reporting random, daily GM conversations which you seem to think this was.
                    Here, this was Woj's article on the situation

                    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-...204933654.html

                    The New York Knicks are pursuing Toronto point guard Kyle Lowry with a package of Raymond Felton, Metta World Peace and a 2018 first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

                    The Knicks refused a Raptors proposal that would've included Iman Shumpert and Felton, sources told Yahoo Sports. WIthout a first-round pick or Shumpert, there is no traction for a deal. The Knicks have no appetite for including Shumpert or rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. in a package.


                    Knicks owner Jim Dolan is sensitive to the public perception that Toronto general manger Masai Ujiri bamboozled New York in the Carmelo Anthony trade, and the chance of getting panned for giving up too much in a deal for Lowry has become a hurdle in these talks, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

                    Ujiri was the GM of the Denver Nuggets when he negotiated a deal that included Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Felton, Timofey Mozgov and a first-round pick for a package that included Anthony and Chauncey Billups.

                    Toronto is discussing deals for Lowry with an ever-growing list of teams, league sources said.

                    Several teams are pursuing Lowry, but the Knicks' most direct competition for him could come from the Brooklyn Nets, who are also exploring the possibility of a deal, league sources said. Brooklyn has resisted the inclusion of its 2020 first-round pick in a package, nor one of its top young players, including rookie Mason Plumlee, sources said.

                    Within the Knicks, there's hesitance on including the draft pick, but there's no chance a deal for Lowry could get done without it, sources said. Nevertheless, there's still doubt on how long New York will keep a pick on the table, sources said.

                    Toronto officials have been scouting and calling European contacts on Bojan Bogdanovic, a 24-year-old shooting guard with whom the Nets own the rights, league sources told Yahoo Sports.


                    The Knicks have lost Felton for two to three weeks with a hamstring injury. He has been largely ineffective for most of the season.

                    Lowry has wanted a trade for most of the season and the Raptors became more motivated to move him after acquiring point guard Greiveis Vasquez in a deal with the Sacramento Kings.

                    World Peace, who signed as free agent this summer, can't be traded until Sunday, per league rules. Freshly signed free agents aren't eligible to be included in trades until Dec. 15.

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                    • Ah, I see everyone jumped on that...

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                      • Yup, plenty of evidence to show that Masai's intention was to pull the plug last season.

                        Let's not kid ourselves and pretend he was gunning for a division title all along.

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                        • All the tankers!!!

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                          • Bendit wrote: View Post
                            All the tankers!!!

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                            • OMG, is this actually a question...nobody thought they were gonna turn it on like they did.

                              hahaha of course he was tanking

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                              • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                                http://sports.yahoo.com/news/knicks-...204933654.html

                                There's even mention of a Masai offer being rejected. Sounds like more than just "listening" on Masai's part, doesn't it?
                                Woj is certainly a more credible source than that rag, but the biggest thing I take from that is that the "Knicks" pursued a trade for Lowry, not the other way around. That's not a tanking move. It would seem it was the delusional Knicks who THOUGHT Masai was tanking, like some fans, because of the Gay trade. Whatever counter proposals were discussed, and how inclusive they were, is pretty hazy. Note that Woj also speaks of other teams pursuing Lowry, not Masai shopping him, as some of you "evil tankers" ( jk ) said. There really is nothing there that comes close to proof that Masai "WAS tanking", imo.

                                Other teams called him, and he didn't pull the trigger on any of them. How the hell is that "proof" of intent to tank?
                                Last edited by chico; Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:20 PM.

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