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  • Is it just me...

    or does anyone else think this team is playing shit basketball? As far as I'm concerned, they have only played two good games, and one of them was against a team that could potentially be the worst team in league history. We are seriously lucky we have had a weak schedule with most of the games at home.

    Many believe that this team lacks the talent to be a top team, but I think talent is the only thing that's keeping us above .500 at the moment. Lowry's talent saved the Boston game. LouWill's talent saved last night's game. I really think there is enough talent on the team to be a top team, at least in the East. We have guys that can take over games, we have guys that can shoot, guys that can penetrate.

    But really, the game this team is playing has been awful and we are presently being very over-hyped. IF the team continues to play ball in the manner it has so far, we will quickly come back down to earth. Alot looks really good on paper. But I think the defense has been weak overall, and looks better due to the two blowouts and playing against some weaker teams. The ball movement has been awful, and the shot selection pretty sketchy. Demar isn't the only culprit. I feel both Kyle and Lou Will have taken some bad shots as well, but both have been lucky enough to sink alot of those shots. Vasquez has been a little wild as well, and Ross is putting up some wonky shots off the dribble. I don't understand why Lou has a green light. He's hitting shots no doubt, but he won't continue to do so at the clip he has been. The team is awful at getting the bigs involved. Yeah, Lowry gave Jonas plenty of opportunity last night, but those were mostly post ups which he is struggling with. He needs some easier buckets inside off the PnR. Not even Patterson is getting the shots he should be as far as I'm concerned. He knocked down a couple of key 3's last night, but I don't think the ballhandlers are running the PnR in a way to get the bigs some easier buckets. And given how absolutely atrocious Jonas is playing, he needs some gimmies generated by our ball handlers to get going. Also, does anyone on this team even know what a box out is? Body up, stop trying to out jump everyone.

    Amir's got that look of disinterest again, like he did early last season. I recall one play last night where Amir literally was the only guy that rotated on 3 different Magic players while the rest of the guys just stood there with their thumbs up their asses. And he's the one with the fucking shaky ankles!! Seriously, it's looking like guys are playing for themselves and all this talk about being a team and all that is just gibberish.

    Demar needs to get his shit together, getting blown by with the likes of Evan Fournier. There has to be better D at the point of attack, otherwise there is too much pressure on the bigs. Better shot selection, better ball movement, and better rebounding. I'm not at all comfortable with how this team is playing and I expect more.

  • #2
    We're playing to like 60% of our potential. Against bad teams that's fine but it won't work against the great ones.

    This conversation will become more pronounced/divided depending on how we fare against the Bulls, Grizz, and Cavs. And it's a little unfortunate that we don't play the Spurs, Clippers or Warriors until December 27th.
    It’s Ogugua season. Time to gugua.

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    • #3
      Everybody wants to see more, no doubt the inconsistency is troubling, but it's early. 74 more games before playoffs. Should note that it wasn't DeMar getting chewed up by Fournier, but Ross. DeMar covered Fournier the previous game, and he did nothing. Also, unlike many, I don't think DeMar did all that bad against Harris. Calm down now, I'll explain what I saw.

      What I saw was Harris eat him up a couple of times in the low post, but most of the damage Harris did was when they screened DeMar pretty hard at the top of the key, Harris would turn the corner, and there was seldom any appropriate help there. Let's face it, the defense from both Amir and JV stank last night, both man D and help D.

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      • #4
        Guys, that game last night was hard to watch. I mean, it was disgusting, and that type of ball isn't gonna cut it. 7-1 doesn't reflect the level of play.

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        • #5
          two things.... i agree for the most part, BUT Orlando is better than their record, Fournier is a good player.

          But yeah, the record thus far.... well lets get by 5 more games and see where they sit.

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          • #6
            JawsGT wrote: View Post
            Demar needs to get his shit together, getting blown by with the likes of Evan Fournier. There has to be better D at the point of attack, otherwise there is too much pressure on the bigs. Better shot selection, better ball movement, and better rebounding. I'm not at all comfortable with how this team is playing and I expect more.
            I think I should emphasis this. And no, I am not talking about DD here.

            All of our wings have be terrible containing ball penetration. So far I thought our bigs (mainly JV so far) have been great at recovering for our shitty perimeter play and are protecting the rim very well.

            I think this team will ultimately start clicking once JV, PP and Amir all get in a groove. So far they haven't found their footing. I also think that has to go a bit to how few touches they get from the wings every game, the posts don't even have their hands up for dump passes any more, they are all expecting the guards to throw up a shot.

            We will live by the wings and die by the wings I guess....

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            • #7
              Superjudge wrote: View Post
              two things.... i agree for the most part, BUT Orlando is better than their record, Fournier is a good player.

              But yeah, the record thus far.... well lets get by 5 more games and see where they sit.
              I agree. I don't think Orlando is a pushover by any means, and Fournier is pretty good. But I feel if one (whether it's Ross or Demar) plays with some effort and defensive pride, they should be able to keep him out of the paint at least. Boston, too, I feel is a pretty good team and I think they should make the playoffs unless they unload players at some point. I really hope the Raps go after Chicago like they did with Washington, as it may help prop up my confidence level in the team. Even if they don't win, I want to at least see better ball movement, rebounding, and integration of our bigs in the offence.

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              • #8
                JawsGT wrote: View Post
                Even if they don't win, I want to at least see better ball movement, rebounding, and integration of our bigs in the offence.
                With all due respect, you seem to be looking at teams from a Fantasy Perspective ie. when pre-season is done teams are supposed to be well-oiled machines and producing results.

                At 7-1 the Raptors have the nucleus to become a very good team. They have a number of hurdles to overcome and bad habits to address but for the most part they are a solid team trying to find chemistry while trying to repeat the winning habits. This is usually a season long process with them - hopefully - peaking in April. Not November.

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                • #9
                  This article covers kinda what you're talking about. We're playing ugly and unconventional but some how effective bball.

                  http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/11/12...starting-unit/
                  Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
                  Because its 2015

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                  • #10
                    If the Raptors aren't living up to your expectations at the moment, then your expectations were too high. The Raptors are in the second in the league in point differential, which means they've been beating their opponents pretty soundly. Meanwhile, the strength of schedule is not that far under .500. It's certainly not the .321 that the Bulls have faced so far.

                    I get it, we aren't used to having a good team, so we may not have real expectations of the type of games a good team should win. But good teams don't step out and beat every single bad team by 20 points or it's a failure, they have bad games that they squeak through, and they step it up against other good teams. And they still lose more than 20 games each year. The Raptors are playing really well. Don't be fooled into thinking every game against bad teams should be a rout.
                    That is a normal collar. Move on, find a new slant.

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                    • #11
                      Crazy prediction of the year: Orlando makes the playoffs.

                      I think they are seriously talented, just young, but as the season goes on they will get better and better. I am so thankful we played them twice NOW and not in the later parts of the season.

                      Payton (possible ROY)
                      Oladipo (hurt currently, will boost the team)
                      Harris (Paul George 2.0!)
                      Channing Frye (Vet stretch-4)
                      Vucevic (Total stud)

                      Bench: Evan Fournier (can score in bunches), Aaron Gordon (Rookie with lots of potential), Harkless (LOTS of potential to be great), Andre Nicholson (steady big)

                      These guys have a great starting 5, and a deep bench. I see them going into the playoffs as soon as this season.
                      The Baltic Beast is unstoppable!

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                      • #12
                        That's pretty crazy.

                        I like this Orlando team, and I was really impressed with how they played on Tuesday. But they are not a playoff team. They've only won like 3 games on the road in their last 40! Or something like that.
                        That is a normal collar. Move on, find a new slant.

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                        • #13
                          No it's not just you

                          http://www.sbnation.com/2014/11/13/7...ern-conference
                          Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                          • #14
                            ghotte wrote: View Post
                            With all due respect, you seem to be looking at teams from a Fantasy Perspective ie. when pre-season is done teams are supposed to be well-oiled machines and producing results.

                            At 7-1 the Raptors have the nucleus to become a very good team. They have a number of hurdles to overcome and bad habits to address but for the most part they are a solid team trying to find chemistry while trying to repeat the winning habits. This is usually a season long process with them - hopefully - peaking in April. Not November.
                            Fantasy perspective? Are you serious? Dude, I'm just watching the games and commenting on what I'm seeing, which isn't very good IMO. If I was approaching this from a fantasy perspective, I'd be ecstatic with the team. I certainly don't expect the team the be a well oiled machine. But if the team can win ball games playing crap ball, then that speaks to the fact that there is talent on this club. The fact of the matter is that the nucleus of this club has already played a season together for the most part, and already have established somewhat of an identity last season, and little of that has been on display so far. I think it's ok for me to be concerned about that.

                            Other Scott wrote: View Post
                            If the Raptors aren't living up to your expectations at the moment, then your expectations were too high. The Raptors are in the second in the league in point differential, which means they've been beating their opponents pretty soundly. Meanwhile, the strength of schedule is not that far under .500. It's certainly not the .321 that the Bulls have faced so far.

                            I get it, we aren't used to having a good team, so we may not have real expectations of the type of games a good team should win. But good teams don't step out and beat every single bad team by 20 points or it's a failure, they have bad games that they squeak through, and they step it up against other good teams. And they still lose more than 20 games each year. The Raptors are playing really well. Don't be fooled into thinking every game against bad teams should be a rout.
                            My expectations have never been too high. I do not expect blowouts, even against weaker opponents. But I expect the team to play a brand of basketball that gives it the best chance to win. I expect the team to carry over the principles that got it to the playoffs last year and made it one of the surprises of the league. I haven't seen much of that so far this season and that disappoints me. The Raptors are playing really well...lol. If they play tonight a brand of basketball similar to most of the games so far, they will lose, despite the lovely point differential. There isn't a single statistic, or group of statistics that would convince me we are actually playing well. I watch the games, and outside of Washington and Philly, it's been kind of ugly. Alot of tough shots being taken, poor ball movement, we are getting pushed around inside, and the defense has been rather lousy. We have taken care of the ball, that has been the only thing that has impressed me...and yet we are 7-1. That's a bonus, not something to get over-excited about.

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                            • #15
                              Defense has been shit since last year. We played like one good month last year. Then we dropped to 16th DTRG. It is what it is.
                              Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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