Game 18: Toronto Raptors @ Golden State Warriors - Sunday Nov 21st 8:30pm ET - Sportsnet

[007]

There were a couple times were Birch singlehandedly saved a defensive possession only for the Warriors to scoop up the ball cause no one was there to help him rebound lol

[MixxAOR]

Nah. I think the goal is to be hyper-aggressive on defense to generate offense. Problem is that NBA players are too good at shooting 3's now. Also, teams know what the Raptors are trying to do and they can use that aggression against us with some well-known counters and quick swing passes.

Aggression is not what hurting Raptors. They are not rotating properly.

[The Claw Reborn]

Steph prepared on this game…he knew Nurse will throw some janky double team on him so he passes the ball before a double team can even set position on him. He either passes an assist or a hockey assist leading to a successful possession

Unlike our poor man version of him….he dribbles the ball for 18 seconds running around and passes the hot potato

[golden]

Aggression is not what hurting Raptors. They are not rotating properly.

That's the point. We are constantly in rotation from the first action, almost by design. Or better, call it scrambling. That's exactly what the offense wants you to do, because no team can rotate perfectly... you will blow rotations. A team with great ball movement (i.e. Warriors) really exposes that.

[MixxAOR]

These Raptors have to play aggresive defense. Because if they play conservative defense they are not going to survive with their shitty offense. They need to generate more possessions and run more because it's already expected their overall FG% will be low. If they play slow half court conservative defense all of the sudden we just have a bunch of shitty offensive players playing soft defense.

[TrueTorontoFan]

part of the issue is defence right now the other problem is gary going 3/13 in the first half.

[MixxAOR]

That's the point. We are constantly in rotation from the first action, almost by design. Or better, call it scrambling. That's exactly what the offense wants you to do, because no team can rotate perfectly... you will blow rotations. A team with great ball movement (i.e. Warriors) really exposes that.

Or they need to play better and not make excuses

[TrueTorontoFan]

These Raptors have to play aggresive defense. Because if they play conservative defense they are not going to survive with their shitty offense. They need to generate more possessions and run more because it's already expected their overall FG% will be low. If they play slow half court conservative defense all of the sudden we just have a bunch of shitty offensive players playing soft defense.

very good point.

[Kagemusha]

Yea it kinda has been tough going for the last couple games. Kinda wondering if the first west coast swing tough on a young dude. Hope it's more getting used to the road then living it up on the coast

It's not the west coast swing.
it's the Siakam swing
The kid looks lost out there.
He doesn't seem know what his role is now

[golden]

These Raptors have to play aggresive defense. Because if they play conservative defense they are not going to survive with their shitty offense. They need to generate more possessions and run more because it's already expected their overall FG% will be low. If they play slow half court conservative defense all of the sudden we just have a bunch of shitty offensive players playing soft defense.

Raptors are top 10 (8th) in ORTG and bottom 10 (21st) in DRTG. Offense is their strength. Defense is killing them right now.

[MixxAOR]

Raptors are top 10 (8th) in ORTG and bottom 10 (21st) in DRTG. Offense is their strength. Defense is killing them right now.

yeah right. team made up of guys with broken jumpers and their strength is offense.

[golden]

yeah right. team made up of guys with broken jumpers and their strength is offense.

I don't make up the numbers, I just post them. It's explainable in some ways because offensive rebounding with put-backs and tip-ins are the highest efficiency offense you can get. Also FVV, GTJ & OG are shooting well from 3.

Regardless, defense is a major weakness. We are regularly giving up > 120 DRTG games since Pascal came back. That would be the worst DRTG probably in NBA history, if that continues. It makes no sense. We are a defensive minded team, with elite, hard-working defenders. How can we be THIS bad? It has to be the scheme.

[MixxAOR]

I don't make up the numbers, I just post them. It's explainable in some ways because offensive rebounding with put-backs and tip-ins are the highest efficiency offense you can get. Also FVV, GTJ & OG are shooting well from 3.

Regardless, defense is a major weakness. We are regularly giving up > 120 DRTG games since Pascal came back. That would be the worst DRTG probably in NBA history, if that continues. It makes no sense. We are a defensive minded team, with elite, hard-working defenders. How can we be THIS bad? It has to be the scheme.

well ORTG is trash stat then

I just told you they are too many weak links who are bad at communicating and lack experience. That's why their defense is bad. It's not the scheme. It's the execution.

[007]

Fred and Gary combined 4-23 from the field bruh

[The Claw Reborn]

I don't make up the numbers, I just post them. It's explainable in some ways because offensive rebounding with put-backs and tip-ins are the highest efficiency offense you can get. Also FVV, GTJ & OG are shooting well from 3.

Regardless, defense is a major weakness. We are regularly giving up > 120 DRTG games since Pascal came back. That would be the worst DRTG probably in NBA history, if that continues. It makes no sense. We are a defensive minded team, with elite, hard-working defenders. How can we be THIS bad? It has to be the scheme.

this.

to say that the Raptors players defensively are inexperienced is the most stupid excuse

Barnes and GTJ even though they are still young have better defensive fundamentals

it’s the system that opposing teams have already figured out

the losses to Detroit and Cleveland would prove how lame that excuse was