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Game Twenty - Raptors at Pacers - Friday, Nov. 26th 8:00pm on TSN

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  • Really missing OG on the defensive end. The lack of role definition, consistent playing time and production concerning the bench is also an issue.

    Next 30-odd days will probably determine the season.

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    • Also, is Nurse’s job on the line? Cause he’s playing FVV like it is. The guy is clearly hurting and was limping around out there half the game while Nurse has him out there playing 38 minutes. Fred’s going to injure that leg and be gone for a month.

      He’s a genius right? Get something out of your bench genius.

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      • Dvdvideo wrote: View Post
        Pretty sad that some of you are blaming Siakam for all the defensive issues, outside of one half of one game he has been mostly excellent. Shows a distinct lack of basic understanding of how much ground he is forced to try and cover. You don't suppose the drop in defense has, ummmm, I don't know, a lot to do with our best defensive player being out and our starting center being out?
        Wow.
        There's team defence, and there's individual defence. Team defence will understandably suffer when a good defender is out, but one player's individual defence shouldn't depend on another player being out. Siakam is a very good individual defender, but wasn't so this past game. Ok to call a spade a spade.

        Also, who's the starting centre? Legit question and I may be missing a game here, but I don't remember there being a game where Fred, trent, scottie, OG and Siakam (our 5 best players), plus Achiuwa and birch were all available, so the starting lineup has been just defaulting to the 5 best non-injured players (we had games where Siakam, Birch and Achiuwa started at C)

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        • A.I wrote: View Post

          I mean even in the games OG played with Siakam, the defense wasn't good. Probably at its worst in the Detroit and Portland games, but I say thats more of a lineup issue with Fred, Trent, Scottie, OG and Pascal. Precious has shown to be a pretty good rim protector and Birch does a lot of good things as well. When they're all healthy, we go back to the problem of who do we bench. Scottie or Gary.

          I don't really blame Siakam since the team defense hasn't been good, but you can see why people are pointing at Siakam since the defense was 6th and fell hard when he returned.
          Well for one, that lineup is undersized, you have to play it with either precious or birch instead of Gary. He needs to come off the bench when freddy is off. The defense needs some time to gell together.

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          • inthepaint wrote: View Post

            There's team defence, and there's individual defence. Team defence will understandably suffer when a good defender is out, but one player's individual defence shouldn't depend on another player being out. Siakam is a very good individual defender, but wasn't so this past game. Ok to call a spade a spade.

            Also, who's the starting centre? Legit question and I may be missing a game here, but I don't remember there being a game where Fred, trent, scottie, OG and Siakam (our 5 best players), plus Achiuwa and birch were all available, so the starting lineup has been just defaulting to the 5 best non-injured players (we had games where Siakam, Birch and Achiuwa started at C)
            I think our rebounding and size hurts too much with birch out. Depending on the match up, perhaps precious in some games......
            I get that Gary is scoring well but we can't sacrifice defense unless we plan on scoring 130 a game.....

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            • Dvdvideo wrote: View Post

              I think our rebounding and size hurts too much with birch out. Depending on the match up, perhaps precious in some games......
              I get that Gary is scoring well but we can't sacrifice defense unless we plan on scoring 130 a game.....
              Well that's the thing, with Gary in you don't sacrifice defence, matter of fact you might be sacrificing defence if he's out (he's one of the best defenders on the team and actually on the DPOY conversation), whereas birch has a hard time switching onto quicker guards, which Nurse's system calls for.

              Offensively, Gary is one of the best scorers on the team (one of the few options of shot creation when the offence dries up), whereas birch has very limited outside shot, so hangs near the paint with his defender, right where Pascal and scottie like to operate, so...

              Will be interesting to see what Nurse does. We do get some pnr functionality with birch which is nice, but we'll lose a lot of impact on both ends of the floor with Gary sitting.

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              • another day, another L
                Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                • MixxAOR wrote: View Post


                  another day, another L
                  Fall-o for Paolo.

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