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  • LJ2
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    Caleb is listed at guard, but he is more a shooter than a ball handler/playmaker. Raptors could use shooting and him being 6'8 is intriguing.

    Terry seems like is the opposite. Good playmaker/ball handler, not much of a scorer. Sounds a lot like Banton.
    Banton is exactly who I was thinking Terry compares to, but he seems like he's more locked in and has better defense. Also seems to have a better shot. I don't know how many times this season I found myself thinking that we could really use Banton on the court.

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  • A.I
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    I didn't watch a lot of tape on Caleb, but in what I did see he doesn't seem to handle to ball much. More of a guard in the mold of Trent. Dalen is a PG, no question.
    Caleb is listed at guard, but he is more a shooter than a ball handler/playmaker. Raptors could use shooting and him being 6'8 is intriguing.

    Terry seems like is the opposite. Good playmaker/ball handler, not much of a scorer. Sounds a lot like Banton.

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  • LJ2
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    Thats where you draft a player that is the best of both worlds. Dalen Terry is listed as a guard at 6'7 and Caleb Houston is listed as a guard at 6'8.
    I didn't watch a lot of tape on Caleb, but in what I did see he doesn't seem to handle to ball much. More of a guard in the mold of Trent. Dalen is a PG, no question.

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  • LJ2
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I don't think we look at positions the way we used to. Pascal and Scottie were our PG's last year. Precious was a C, yet so was Scottie and OG at times. I I think they just like versatility. Can you switch on defense? Can you play 3 or 4 positions?
    For sure, but there are some skills which are still mostly relegated to positions.

    Not a lot of 6-9 guys shoot like Trent or Fred and same for there generally aren't a lot of play makers that size either.

    I definitely see Siakam and Barnes handling the ball a lot, but teams will adjust to that. They will start trapping and pressuring full court and that is when you will need guards out there that can handle the ball.

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  • A.I
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    I thought those guys just joined ESPN recently? Have they been doing the mock draft for ESPN all season?
    Givony has been with ESPN for a while now. He has been busy with this year's draft, he was talking about on Lowe's podcast.

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  • A.I
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    They'll definitely go defensive player if they make a pick, but will also look at things like motor, athleticism, ability to play make and of course length as you have pointed out.

    I'm still leaning more towards them picking a guard than a forward. They have OG, Siakam, and Barnes who will get a lot of mins at F and then Boucher, Thad and some of the young guys they want to develop.

    At guard they have Fred and Trent and the guys behind them were not encouraging. Just seems like more of a position of need.
    Thats where you draft a player that is the best of both worlds. Dalen Terry is listed as a guard at 6'7 and Caleb Houston is listed as a guard at 6'8.

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  • LJ2
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    ESPN is Jonathan Givony who is actually the best in the business. They got rid of Chad Ford a while ago. Definitely not lazy and very plugged in to what's going on between teams. It's behind a pay wall but I pay for ESPN+.

    All Givony does is cover the NBA draft and he's been doing it for nearly two decades. He was the one who started draftexpress and he was so good ESPN brought him in.
    I thought those guys just joined ESPN recently? Have they been doing the mock draft for ESPN all season?

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  • planetmars
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    They'll definitely go defensive player if they make a pick, but will also look at things like motor, athleticism, ability to play make and of course length as you have pointed out.

    I'm still leaning more towards them picking a guard than a forward. They have OG, Siakam, and Barnes who will get a lot of mins at F and then Boucher, Thad and some of the young guys they want to develop.

    At guard they have Fred and Trent and the guys behind them were not encouraging. Just seems like more of a position of need.
    I don't think we look at positions the way we used to. Pascal and Scottie were our PG's last year. Precious was a C, yet so was Scottie and OG at times. I I think they just like versatility. Can you switch on defense? Can you play 3 or 4 positions?

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  • LJ2
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I think they might go with a defensive wing type of player. Someone like Minott, Watson or Procida for example. There are a few of these types likely available in the 2nd round. We like these 6-8/6'9 guys with long arms, and that can play defense but not do much else.
    They'll definitely go defensive player if they make a pick, but will also look at things like motor, athleticism, ability to play make and of course length as you have pointed out.

    I'm still leaning more towards them picking a guard than a forward. They have OG, Siakam, and Barnes who will get a lot of mins at F and then Boucher, Thad and some of the young guys they want to develop.

    At guard they have Fred and Trent and the guys behind them were not encouraging. Just seems like more of a position of need.

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  • Primer
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post

    ESPN is pretty lazy and I don't know if any of the guys making their mock draft list are doing any research or just basing off lists from other sites.

    I find tankathon is pretty decent and they have Christie at 38 and Terry at 27.
    ESPN is Jonathan Givony who is actually the best in the business. They got rid of Chad Ford a while ago. Definitely not lazy and very plugged in to what's going on between teams. It's behind a pay wall but I pay for ESPN+.

    All Givony does is cover the NBA draft and he's been doing it for nearly two decades. He was the one who started draftexpress and he was so good ESPN brought him in.
    Last edited by Primer; Wed Jun 22, 2022, 12:02 PM.

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  • Puffer
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    Bendit wrote: View Post

    I heard mention of him on one of the "pundit" podcasts ... compare is a PJ Tucker type intensity/character and his 3pt. shooting improved greatly this past year. I sense a duplication of Champagnie skills & traits ... I like this type of player finds in the later parts of a draft. Saw a report that he worked out for the Raps.
    6'5", quick first step, crafty, efficient shooter with a 46% 3 pt shot and solid build (strength), "extremely high skill level with the ball." Sounds like a great change of pace player, a strong screener, and made for coming off the bench. If he can make the team, lock him up for 4 years at the rookie scale and maybe free up Trent Jr for a trade. I don't see the Champagnie comparison, but I haven't seen any film on him either. He sounds intriguing.

    I don't think the Raptors need to make major changes this year, but improve around the edges and keep salary manageable for bigger moves in 23-24 season.

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  • slaw
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I think they might go with a defensive wing type of player. Someone like Minott, Watson or Procida for example. There are a few of these types likely available in the 2nd round. We like these 6-8/6'9 guys with long arms, and that can play defense but not do much else.
    I don't follow the draft at all but this seems like a very sensible prediction.

    EDIT: We will see what they do but I get the approach. If you highly value certain attributes and characteristics that you don't believe can be taught, then you go after guys with those attributes/characteristics and see if you can teach them the rest of the skills they need. You're favouring those critical attributes over resume, pedigree, past production and even demonstrated skill cause you value them so highly.
    Last edited by slaw; Wed Jun 22, 2022, 11:02 AM.

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  • planetmars
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    With a day to go in the draft my top picks for the Raps at 33 remain the same as it did long before the combine. Dalen Terry if he's there and with all this talk about Raps potentially moving up I still think he'd be a great option with a pick in the 20's.

    The next guy on my list at 33 is Max Christie. I only looked at guards and wings as I think that is the direction they go in the draft.

    I wouldn't be mad if they traded out of the draft if they can't move up to get a guy they want. The players I've looked at in the second round have been kind of underwhelming.
    I think they might go with a defensive wing type of player. Someone like Minott, Watson or Procida for example. There are a few of these types likely available in the 2nd round. We like these 6-8/6'9 guys with long arms, and that can play defense but not do much else.

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  • LJ2
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    ESPN has Christie going 47 so he'd be available.

    They have Terry going 21 so he's not likely to be there at 33.
    ESPN is pretty lazy and I don't know if any of the guys making their mock draft list are doing any research or just basing off lists from other sites.

    I find tankathon is pretty decent and they have Christie at 38 and Terry at 27.

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  • Primer
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    With a day to go in the draft my top picks for the Raps at 33 remain the same as it did long before the combine. Dalen Terry if he's there and with all this talk about Raps potentially moving up I still think he'd be a great option with a pick in the 20's.

    The next guy on my list at 33 is Max Christie. I only looked at guards and wings as I think that is the direction they go in the draft.

    I wouldn't be mad if they traded out of the draft if they can't move up to get a guy they want. The players I've looked at in the second round have been kind of underwhelming.
    ESPN has Christie going 47 so he'd be available.

    They have Terry going 21 so he's not likely to be there at 33.

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