Everything 2022 Draft

[planetmars]

Duncan Robinson on a 2nd round contract is a steal. Duncan Robinson at $18M per year is a very bad contract. So if this kid is Duncan Robinson and he's there I'm very cool with taking him.

Not just Robinson, but many 3pt specialists make about that in today's market. Robinson, Harris, Bertans, Trent Jr, Bogdan B, Markkanen all make about $16-18M a year.

And he can do other things like cut, plays good man to man defense. The video LJ2 posted shows him being good at deflections and manufacturing turnovers. Also seems to be a decent passer (3.7 assists last season in college at a 20% assist rate).

He can't defend out at the perimeter, especially against quick guards. So he'd need some rim protection but with some smart team defense you can hide that. Put him on the center or have him run out to the corners instead.

I could easily live with that pick. Might be hard for a team like Dallas, Miami or GSW to pass on him though.

[TrueTorontoFan]

lol they messed up his name but here is an interview with julian

[The Great One]

Says the guy who compared him to Zach Collins.

Well, it's not a perfect comparison but it's a better comparison than McDermott or McDavid/Ovechkin lol.

[The Great One]

He's shot near 40% from 3pt on decent volume over 3 seasons but he's not a 3pt specialist? Or is it that he's got a lot more to his game than just 3pt shots?

He's got a lor more to his game than shoot 3's.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Dan Tolzman

[Kagemusha]

that's not great considering he had basically free reign.

He was a rookie

FVV rookie stats:
2.9 pts, 0.9 assists

[TrueTorontoFan]

He was a rookie

FVV rookie stats:
2.9 pts, 0.9 assists

now you are moving the goal posts according to you he had all the time to play and produce at a high level without anyone in the way right? When we sat everyone... ok then you should be producing higher than that. Heck you can forget about efficiency. Looking at it right now he had 3 stand out games that season across what looks like the last two months of the season. Not super impressed.

I hate comparing players directly because circumstances are different. Just took a quick peek and here is what I found. Vanvleet couldn't crack the roster because he was playing a lot of time in the G-league that year.


FVV was playing behind Lowry, Corey Joeseph, Other guards included Demar, and Norm, also Delon Wright..


Let's focus on Flynn right now and if he fits this specific iteration of the team and what they want to build moving forward. Has he done well or not and has he done well enough in the opportunities given.


I agreed that Nurse could have given him more run to see what he had but in the opportunities he had he wasn't exactly blowing my mind here. He was decent not amazing.



It has been two years. I am not saying he isn't an NBA player but I am saying his skill set hasn't translated super well for this specific team. I think he has value but value to other teams why not get a distressed asset?

[Kagemusha]

now you are moving the goal posts according to you he had all the time to play and produce at a high level without anyone in the way right? When we sat everyone... ok then you should be producing higher than that. Heck you can forget about efficiency. Looking at it right now he had 3 stand out games that season across what looks like the last two months of the season. Not super impressed.

I hate comparing players directly because circumstances are different. Just took a quick peek and here is what I found. Vanvleet couldn't crack the roster because he was playing a lot of time in the G-league that year.


FVV was playing behind Lowry, Corey Joeseph, Other guards included Demar, and Norm, also Delon Wright..


Let's focus on Flynn right now and if he fits this specific iteration of the team and what they want to build moving forward. Has he done well or not and has he done well enough in the opportunities given.


I agreed that Nurse could have given him more run to see what he had but in the opportunities he had he wasn't exactly blowing my mind here. He was decent not amazing.



It has been two years. I am not saying he isn't an NBA player but I am saying his skill set hasn't translated super well for this specific team. I think he has value but value to other teams why not get a distressed asset?

We both agree that Flynn's skillset doesn't fit this team.
I was just trying to support my argument that he played well when given the chance.
Also, that version of the Raptors is a tanking team so l guess it's difficult to really gauge his value when he was playing with basically no decent teammates.

[TrueTorontoFan]

We both agree that Flynn's skillset doesn't fit this team.
I was just trying to support my argument that he played well when given the chance.
Also, that version of the Raptors is a tanking team so l guess it's difficult to really gauge his value when he was playing with basically no decent teammates.

right but he was also the one of the "premier" players on a tanking team where they are trying to just basically give him all the reps he can handle. I think since we agree on the notion that his skill set doesn't fit this team the question is how do you look to get him off the the team because short of spoon feeding him minutes it will not be a good idea for him to be playing in the g-league for another year. realistically he is not great in read and react offense. I think its time to move on.

Here are some box scores:

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307862


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401267174

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307843

One of the biggest issues is his shooting has not ever consistently translated. Further more he has never been consistent you don't really know what to expect from him.

[golden]

Well, it's not a perfect comparison but it's a better comparison than McDermott or McDavid/Ovechkin lol.

What about a lesser Franz Wagner?

[Kagemusha]

right but he was also the one of the "premier" players on a tanking team where they are trying to just basically give him all the reps he can handle. I think since we agree on the notion that his skill set doesn't fit this team the question is how do you look to get him off the the team because short of spoon feeding him minutes it will not be a good idea for him to be playing in the g-league for another year. realistically he is not great in read and react offense. I think its time to move on.

Here are some box scores:

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307862


https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401267174

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307843

One of the biggest issues is his shooting has not ever consistently translated. Further more he has never been consistent you don't really know what to expect from him.

I was expecting his shooting to be better this year,
the only area where he can be useful to the team.
I guess all the issues really affected him big time and that's not a good sign.

Moving him will be best for both himself and the Raptors.

[Hotshot]

Guessing Scottie last season was literally a 50/50 guess as it was clear way before the draft it was either Suggs or Scottie, and all the reports were we loved Scottie.

From all the Reports the Raptors did love Scottie but it was never 50/50 with Suggs.

There was one report that got leaked that the Raptors brought Josh Giddey for a private workout that was not advertised and from everything we know now about the types of players they are seeking, he would have probably been the guy they were going to select if Scottie had already been chosen ( and Mobley was of course off the board)

[grindhouse]

From all the Reports the Raptors did love Scottie but it was never 50/50 with Suggs.

There was one report that got leaked that the Raptors brought Josh Giddey for a private workout that was not advertised and from everything we know now about the types of players they are seeking, he would have probably been the guy they were going to select if Scottie had already been chosen ( and Mobley was of course off the board)

yep i remeber getting cursed out for even mentioning giddey name

[grindhouse]

i could tell you how to scout every single position on the court. but it’s coming from me so… i read comments and i see we should draft a back up point.? you never draft a back up you draft guys that can take over that position. banton is our future starting point. give the kid a chance to develop.

[LJ2]

i could tell you how to scout every single position on the court. but it’s coming from me so… i read comments and i see we should draft a back up point.? you never draft a back up you draft guys that can take over that position. banton is our future starting point. give the kid a chance to develop.

Unless you're drafting in the top 5-10, most often you are drafting a guy that will back up the starter before they take over the position. So they are a back up at some point.

Banton got a tonne of minutes early in the season, but Nurse eventually lost confidence in him and even bumped Flynn ahead of him in the pecking order. Doesn't mean Banton isn't a part of the future for this team, but Raps might be looking at him like he's a long term project.

Raps have been bringing in a lot of wings in for workouts so that is my guess on how they will draft.