Game Twenty One (Blackjack!) Boston at Raptors Sunday November 28th 6pm on SN1

[TrueTorontoFan]

Any thoughts about your boy Siakam?

See David Thorpe's piece? I basically share his sentiment.

[The Claw Reborn]

I think maybe you want to talk to Nick, not Fred, about this. We barely ever use Scottie as a screener.

Maybe Nurse does not trust the rook or Van Vleet.

Yes Nick Nurse is the key here.

Hell, Lowry wouldn’t care banging heads with his coach though Kyle is just the GROAT lol

[DanH]

Lol you cannot kick the dog from behind then throw him a bone afterwards but nice try though

While Birch is out, maybe VanVleet can do it with Scottie 70% of the time instead of just chucking Hail Mary’s that does not result to winning.

He not only can improve his game but aid in the development of the rook.

I think maybe you want to talk to Nick, not Fred, about this. We barely ever use Scottie as a screener.

[The Claw Reborn]

I think Scottie is great.

I think presenting 10 FGAs in PnR as some sort of evidence of that is silly.

It is very possible (and frankly the only reasonable stance) to have both of those opinions.

You didn't say Scottie could be unstoppable (heck, he could be!). You said with a high level PnR initiator, Scottie WOULD be unstoppable. That's an incredible leap based on basically no evidence.

This all leaving aside that there actually isn't a huge pile of evidence that Fred can't be a PnR creator. He's been improving by leaps and bounds there for the past two seasons. It's no coincidence Fred has assisted on 40% of Khem's FGs (Khem being the guy who generates the largest portion of his offence as the roll man). He's not some elite playmaker, but he's vastly improved from what he was a season or two ago.

Lol you cannot kick the dog from behind then throw him a bone afterwards but nice try though

While Birch is out, maybe VanVleet can do it with Scottie 70% of the time instead of just chucking Hail Mary’s that does not result to winning.

He not only can improve his game but aid in the development of the rook.

[KeonClark]

Me reading todays discussions:




We need a GDT

[DanH]

So you did not invalidate my opinion about Scottie? and your word with such preponderance, your opinion is always holier than though lol.

maybe I used a flowery word “unstoppable” but it did not diminish my projection of how good he can be if there is someone who he can pair with who is high level in PnR plays. Because VanVleet ain’t that (humongous sample size)

Scottie 70% fg in PnR man still meaningless and you want a bigger sample then go for it…maybe he is just a bust after all when it’s all said and done lol.

I think Scottie is great.

I think presenting 10 FGAs in PnR as some sort of evidence of that is silly.

It is very possible (and frankly the only reasonable stance) to have both of those opinions.

You didn't say Scottie could be unstoppable (heck, he could be!). You said with a high level PnR initiator, Scottie WOULD be unstoppable. That's an incredible leap based on basically no evidence.

This all leaving aside that there actually isn't a huge pile of evidence that Fred can't be a PnR creator. He's been improving by leaps and bounds there for the past two seasons. It's no coincidence Fred has assisted on 40% of Khem's FGs (Khem being the guy who generates the largest portion of his offence as the roll man). He's not some elite playmaker, but he's vastly improved from what he was a season or two ago.

[The Claw Reborn]

If you'd like to point out an example where I made a projection for a player's future like you did based on a 10 possession sample, I am happy to wait.

So you did not invalidate my opinion about Scottie? and your word with such preponderance, your opinion is always holier than though lol.

maybe I used a flowery word “unstoppable” but it did not diminish my projection of how good he can be if there is someone who he can pair with who is high level in PnR plays. Because VanVleet ain’t that (humongous sample size)

Scottie 70% fg in PnR man still meaningless and you want a bigger sample then go for it…maybe he is just a bust after all when it’s all said and done lol.

[DanH]

You seem to use sample size to any kind of argument for your own convenience…lol

Birch, Dragic, Defense - You have the heaviest weighted opinion

anything else - gah…it’s a small size

lol

If you'd like to point out an example where I made a projection for a player's future like you did based on a 10 possession sample, I am happy to wait.

[The Claw Reborn]

LOL what? Scottie has like 10 possessions in the PnR, making up literally 3% of his offence. You can't judge a guy's effectiveness on that sample.

I'm as optimistic as any that Scottie can be a very good roll threat, especially with his passing, but if he were 3/10 instead of 7/10 on the roll this year, that shouldn't change anyone's opinion on that.

You seem to use sample size to any kind of argument for your own convenience…lol

Birch, Dragic, Defense - You have the heaviest weighted opinion

anything else - gah…it’s a small size

lol

[DanH]

Frequency, FG%

you should also check PnR man and how good is Scottie is considering the circumstances.

As I stated already, if they only have a high level PnR initiator, Scottie would be unstoppable.

LOL what? Scottie has like 10 possessions in the PnR, making up literally 3% of his offence. You can't judge a guy's effectiveness on that sample.

I'm as optimistic as any that Scottie can be a very good roll threat, especially with his passing, but if he were 3/10 instead of 7/10 on the roll this year, that shouldn't change anyone's opinion on that.

[DanH]

We are in top 5 in isolation plays, why I think Raptors are bottom dwellers in Assists per Game

Selfish fuckers

Yes, if we had two fewer isolation possessions per game and were middle of the pack there instead, we'd definitely be an elite passing team.

[The Claw Reborn]

What??!
How do you read this thing?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/

Frequency, FG%

you should also check PnR man and how good is Scottie is considering the circumstances.

As I stated already, if they only have a high level PnR initiator, Scottie would be unstoppable.

[Kagemusha]

One great thing about the potential ceiling of Scottie….unlike those three guys I pointed as examples, Griffin/ Aldridge or Serge were one trick ponies when they started their careers.

In my opinion, Scottie is more of a hybrid of Serge and Gasol…high level end recipient of a PnP/ PnR (Serge) but with high level court awareness and vision (Marc Gasol) who can be the screener or a decoy roller who can do a secondary pass to a corner three point shooter or a cutter

We don’t have a high level PnR/ PnP initiator unfortunately who can do it as what the textbook is teaching.

What??!
How do you read this thing?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/

[The Claw Reborn]

One great thing about the potential ceiling of Scottie….unlike those three guys I pointed as examples, Griffin/ Aldridge or Serge were one trick ponies when they started their careers.

In my opinion, Scottie is more of a hybrid of Serge and Gasol…high level end recipient of a PnP/ PnR (Serge) but with high level court awareness and vision (Marc Gasol) who can be the screener or a decoy roller who can do a secondary pass to a corner three point shooter or a cutter

We don’t have a high level PnR/ PnP initiator unfortunately who can do it as what the textbook is teaching.

[Kagemusha]

Scottie extending his range can wait

but maximizing his current strengths should be the priority

Nurse has to sit down with VanVleet and discuss development of the young players should be more of the emphasis than chucking/ personal accolades

or you get booted out

Maybe FVV isn't looking for personal accolades.
He just has a different (wrong) on how to win games ie putting matters in his own hands.
You're right, it's all on the coach and the front office.
How many games should be played before that switch to development is decided?