What should the Raptors do? (Stay the course or make a change)

[white men can't jump]

Jimmy G Buckets = Butler

Parsons was a UFA. These guys are all RFA.

I thought Parsons was restricted

[Scraptor]

I must be having a brain fart - who is Buckets?

As for Kawhi I agree he isn't going anywhere.

But when it comes to Tobias I put him in the same category as Parsons last summer. I was arguing/debating/discussing possibility of Parsons leaving Houston last summer and people said I was wrong/stupid/whatever. If a team really wants Harris, they could put forward a pretty stacked offer sheet.

Jimmy G Buckets = Butler

Parsons was a UFA. These guys are all RFA.

[mcHAPPY]

I love Tobias Harris but like Kawhi and Buckets I just don't think there's any way their teams let them go. Not after they've already broken out.

I must be having a brain fart - who is Buckets?

As for Kawhi I agree he isn't going anywhere.

But when it comes to Tobias I put him in the same category as Parsons last summer. I was arguing/debating/discussing possibility of Parsons leaving Houston last summer and people said I was wrong/stupid/whatever. If a team really wants Harris, they could put forward a pretty stacked offer sheet.

[Scraptor]

I love Tobias Harris but like Kawhi and Buckets I just don't think there's any way their teams let them go. Not after they've already broken out.

[mcHAPPY]

Never really had a reply to the suggestion of Tobias Harris.

I see a lot of benefits.

He can play SF/PF.

He will be the same age as graduating college senior this summer and not 23 until July..... fits with the core age quite nicely.

He will be a RFA but is there room for him in Orlando? They just signed Vucevic to a $13+M per year extension. They have Gordon and Frye. Harkless, who is getting no burn, is on his rookie contract for another year. They've already got a mini log jam going at G with Payton, Oladipo, and Fournier.

Magic reportedly had interest in Ross last year (maybe changed now with addition of Fournier) and Patterson this summer (maybe changed with Frye signing). Is there a S&T possibility? Raps also have expiring veteran players to make money match in summer time S&T along with a PG such as Vasquez? (only vet guards they have are Ridnour and Gordon - both team options next year)

Magic reportedly were offering just $8M per just before season started.

Longer term, Harris and Bruno would make a nice SF/PF combination. Harris can play SF as Bruno develops while maturing and adding strength to play PF.

A 4-6 year max contract is steep in 2015-16 however come 2016-17 season it would be the equivalent of a $12M contract right now (max in 2016-17 for 4-6 year likely to be starting at $20M, current max for 4-6 starts just under $15M). *Of course that assumes it takes the max to get him - maybe 4 years $12 gets it done?*


Like I said, no reply previously. Curious what others think.

[mcHAPPY]

This reminds me of the 'tweak' VS 'tank' poll last season. I didn't vote, because the options both seem too extreme.

Most of the posts seem to be in favor of strategic or 'no brainer' type trades, or depth trades, but which option does that best fit under??

You'll have to get on Doc to make the polls more like an algorithm.

But seriously, I figured the "opportunistic" or "unbelievable offer" options were a given. If Atlanta is giving you Horford and Carroll for Ross, 2015 1st, and expirings, yeah, I'm on that despite selecting "stay the course" in the poll.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Poll results are 22-7 (76%-24%) in favor of staying the course at a record of 10-2. OP should do a new thread after a month or two to compare the results.

This reminds me of the 'tweak' VS 'tank' poll last season. I didn't vote, because the options both seem too extreme.

Most of the posts seem to be in favor of strategic or 'no brainer' type trades, or depth trades, but which option does that best fit under??

[mcHAPPY]

I'm fairly confident that if the Raps do make a move to acquire someone this year, one of those 2016 picks will be part of the outgoing package.

I think the 2015 pick is much more likely.

But if they do include 2016 it better be the worse of.

That Knicks/nuggets pick is looking to be good right now.

[Shantz]

Early January after the December 22-Janaury 4 road trip starting in Chicago and then west coast for 5 games would be a good time

That timeline also means that we will have a better concept of what the trade market looks like. Which teams are buyers and sellers? What players might/are available? What the going rate for expiring contracts are with the potential increase in the cap? Where we are situated in the league at that point? etc.

A few more months and the picture will start to come into focus more.

[ball4life]

Stay the course..11-2 says it all

i know youre from the future. how much did we beat lebron by? did he cry?

[Axel]

That's part of it, and having Bruno/Noguiera around means that the franchise will still have two young prospects to continue grooming next season without adding another rookie via the draft. And the team still has two first rounders in 2016.

I'm fairly confident that if the Raps do make a move to acquire someone this year, one of those 2016 picks will be part of the outgoing package.

[Fully]

hmm. i guess if we've still got a great record at the trade deadline, our first rounder this year isn't worth much

That's part of it, and having Bruno/Noguiera around means that the franchise will still have two young prospects to continue grooming next season without adding another rookie via the draft. And the team still has two first rounders in 2016.

[planetmars]

I do think we need to stand pat... but if Brooklyn is some how is out of the running (season is early, but they are currently in 9th), and KG wants one last shot at a ring, should we make a call to see if he can be made available (he can veto any trade since has a no-trade clause)? I'd give up the 2015 pick for him (which is basically giving it away since KG is probably going to retire after this year).. He'd be exactly what we need on the bench and in the playoffs.

Fields+Bro for KG works.. throw in the first to make the deal happen.

Totally a short term move. But man would the playoffs be fun.

[stooley]

hmm. i guess if we've still got a great record at the trade deadline, our first rounder this year isn't worth much

[Fully]

Stand pat for now and let the season wind on for a little bit.

Give teams a chance to get settled in and see what type of team and individual performances are sustainable, and what are just trends. Check in at the ~40 game mark and you will have a much clearer view of not only where the Raptors stand in the hierarchy of the Eastern Conference, but also where their true areas of need are. It also lets their competitors normalize and will identify which teams may be willing to deal, and which players are going to be available.

I will say that I wouldn't mind Ujiri swinging a deal at the deadline, even if it's a smaller one that shores up the 4/5 position. Packaging the team's 2015 draft pick and an expiring or two for a big man that can a) help the team in the short term and b) continue to grow with the rest of the core of the team would be a good move in my eyes.

While no one being realistic should think that the Raptors are headed for the Finals this season, their team is at a point in their development where every post season rep they can get will be beneficial, and adding a piece or two at the deadline that could help them get a little farther is a smart move.