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Hotshot wrote: View Post
I agree that Barkley is an all time great but imo if we are looking at his overall career accomplishments he ain't even in the top 5 of all time.
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Giannis (probably ends up #2 on the list)
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7 Scottie Barnes (hehe maybe...)
Giannis is not a PF man. He's a point-forward like LeBron.
Anyway, Barkley is the complete definition of a unicorn. He was a 6'4 PF. 6'4! and he was dominant. You're never going to see another 6'4 PF again.
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The Great One wrote: View PostDude is an all time great. Top 3 PF of all time imo. Who cares if he didn't win a championship?
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Giannis (probably ends up #2 on the list)
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7 Scottie Barnes (hehe maybe...)
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guyroch wrote: View Post
Perfectly said .. He carries himself like he is John Lennon ... He actually thinks he at least Charles Barkley equal cause he boasts he has championships but Barkley had to carry franchises ..
Holly crap he might actually make the HOF .. He has a ten year career with less then 6,000 career points .. Simmons gets ripped for not having developmented offensively since he has entered the league and how has Draymond expanded his offensive game ?
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Lol. Let's say the Warriors win the championship this year. Would anyone really rather have Draymond over ringless Jayson Tatum? lol. It's getting ridiculous. guyroch mentioned Charles Barkley. I'd rather have Charles Barkley's basketball career than Draymond's career. I'm taking Barkley 10/10 and it's not even close. Dude is an all time great. Top 3 PF of all time imo. Who cares if he didn't win a championship?
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
LOL Boris Diaw? Man if only he was around in this era I think he'd be way more of an impact player. His ability to guard bigger guys, find open players and that high basketball IQ was tailor made for this era. I dont think Diaw was the defender which Green is but its not easy to compare across different times in basketball. He certainly was a good defender. Sort of proves my point though if you have to go that far back to find a good comparison of the same type of player. Not a lot of guys like that in recent history and certainly in the current NBA.
is Draymond guarding the same guys chasing Curry around? Across an entire season? Feels like a bit of a reach but I've probably spent more time that I ever wanted to devote to defending Draymond. Not a fan of his or the Warriors.
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golden wrote: View Post
Draymond is basically Ringo Starr. Sure, he's a very good drummer, but he could have easily ended up working in music store if he doesn't luck into The Beatles.
Same thing if Draymond is drafted by the Kings or T-Wolves. Heck, Draymond wasn't even a starter with the Warriors under Mark Jackson.
Holly crap he might actually make the HOF .. He has a ten year career with less then 6,000 career points .. Simmons gets ripped for not having developmented offensively since he has entered the league and how has Draymond expanded his offensive game ?
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golden wrote: View Post
Boris Diaw comes to mind as a non-HoF PF that would have equal (likely more) success as Draymond with GS, on offense.
The other thing about Golden State, which Pat Bev pointed out, is that they wear you out so much with their cutting and chasing Curry, that their opponents actually have a lot less energy for offense. So you can argue that Draymond's defense is vastly overrated because he's always facing a fatigued opponent in comparison to other DPOY candidates whose teams run a different style of offense
is Draymond guarding the same guys chasing Curry around? Across an entire season? Feels like a bit of a reach but I've probably spent more time that I ever wanted to devote to defending Draymond. Not a fan of his or the Warriors.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostDraymond is always in the talks for DPOY. It's sort of the Rodman effect where he just has to be considered great on one side of the ball and it gets him in the covo for HOF. He does also impact his team with his IQ and passing though, so I will give him that. Like picture another PF on that team that isn't clearly HOF material and would GS be as dominant?
The other thing about Golden State, which Pat Bev pointed out, is that they wear you out so much with their cutting and chasing Curry, that their opponents actually have a lot less energy for offense. So you can argue that Draymond's defense is vastly overrated because he's always facing a fatigued opponent in comparison to other DPOY candidates whose teams run a different style of offense
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The Celtics are huge. Good article here if you have the athletic but there seems to be a pay wall on this article (I've been able to post in the past with no paywall) https://theathletic.com/3348189/2022.../?redirected=1
Essentially by moving on from Kemba, starting Smart at the point, Brown at 2, Tatum at 3 who is ~6'9 - 6'10, Horford at the 4, and Williams at the 5, they are massive! You can see them bullying the dubs down low, making it hard for them to shoot over length and dominating the offensive boards.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
Please don't put Draymond in the same sentence as Rodman again. Rodman is arguably the best pound for pound defensive player that ever play the game. Draymond is a good defensive player as well but all time great? nah.You see what Jaylen Brown did to him last night?
Rodman in his prime averaged 16-18 rebounds a game. Draymond last night was getting outrebounded and outhustled by Grant and Robert Williams. That would never happen with Rodman.
"That Green guy" lol.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
Please don't put Draymond in the same sentence as Rodman again. Rodman is arguably the best pound for pound defensive player that ever play the game. Draymond is a good defensive player as well but all time great? nah.You see what Jaylen Brown did to him last night?
Rodman in his prime averaged 16-18 rebounds a game. Draymond last night was getting outrebounded and outhustled by Grant and Robert Williams. That would never happen with Rodman.
"That Green guy" lol.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostDraymond is always in the talks for DPOY. It's sort of the Rodman effect where he just has to be considered great on one side of the ball and it gets him in the covo for HOF. He does also impact his team with his IQ and passing though, so I will give him that. Like picture another PF on that team that isn't clearly HOF material and would GS be as dominant?
Rodman in his prime averaged 16-18 rebounds a game. Draymond last night was getting outrebounded and outhustled by Grant and Robert Williams. That would never happen with Rodman.
"That Green guy" lol.
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Draymond is always in the talks for DPOY. It's sort of the Rodman effect where he just has to be considered great on one side of the ball and it gets him in the covo for HOF. He does also impact his team with his IQ and passing though, so I will give him that. Like picture another PF on that team that isn't clearly HOF material and would GS be as dominant?
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guyroch wrote: View Post
Why doesn't Draymond get ripped for how his offensive game is so bad . It is said that he is a HOF candidate but his career avg in Points in playoffs and season is way under 10 a game ..
Same thing if Draymond is drafted by the Kings or T-Wolves. Heck, Draymond wasn't even a starter with the Warriors under Mark Jackson.
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