Everything Playoffs 2022 (Non-Raptors Thread)

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[G__Deane]

Sure, but as we saw with Lowry and Gasol, those super high IQ, connector, glue guys only get you so far when the make or break moments of the game arrive. The Kawhis, Stephs and Lebrons are what even gives those role players the chance to shine.

You must be a drummer, because nobody watches a band and focuses on the drummer…. except other drummers. lol.

[chris]

Sure, but as we saw with Lowry and Gasol, those super high IQ, connector, glue guys only get you so far when the make or break moments of the game arrive. The Kawhis, Stephs and Lebrons are what even gives those role players the chance to shine.

You must be a drummer, because nobody watches a band and focuses on the drummer…. except other drummers. lol.

i agree with all of the bolded but you're also not winning shit without those guys and there's tons of them in the hall of fame, deservedly so. like pippen is widely considered a top 20 or 25 all-time player, and i'd consider him in that vein. (people will point to to him "carrying" the 94 team and i will disagree). bill russell is another guy who was never the first option on his teams but did all the little shit to the max, and is widely considered a top five player of all time.

not putting draymond anywhere close to those guys but i think it's equally absurd to look at the numbers and conclude the warriors would still have four chips if you replaced him with thad young or boris diaw or whoever. trying to evaluate his impact through stats is kind of missing the point i think, he's basically bring the "force" steve kerr is always talking about playing with, and "force" is not a stat. and they always seem to be winning when he's on the floor no matter who surrounds him, same as we did with lowry (lowry's a great comp for him actually).

i have no musical ability whatsoever but i am a huge nerd with thousands of records and i appreciate incredible craftsmanship no matter what instrument is played! dave witte and jason roeder are probably my favorite drummers, with mac mcneilly, todd trainer, and jim white in the non-metal division.

ringo starr was a totally boring drummer who brought nothing to the beatles imo, that band was all about the other three guys.

[golden]

no man, just a guy who's watched the team closely since steph was drafted since i loved him in college, and he's long since become my favorite player.

they've never deployed him as some sort of individual stopper to stick with opposing team's best players, and i never claimed they did. he's the connector on defense just like he is on offense, calling out rotations and switches and screens and generally running the show (like he does on offense), and also roaming around like a free safety. and he's the best i've seen play that role.

anyhow welcome to the hall of bad takes golden!

Sure, but as we saw with Lowry and Gasol, those super high IQ, connector, glue guys only get you so far when the make or break moments of the game arrive. The Kawhis, Stephs and Lebrons are what even gives those role players the chance to shine.

You must be a drummer, because nobody watches a band and focuses on the drummer…. except other drummers. lol.

[chris]

Lol. Draymond burner account on RR? He’s Ringo, man. If Thad Young ended up on the Warriors, he’d have 4 rings too.

And for all his DPOY-ness, Draymond wasn’t even the main defender for Lebron… that was Iggy.

no man, just a guy who's watched the team closely since steph was drafted since i loved him in college, and he's long since become my favorite player.

they've never deployed him as some sort of individual stopper to stick with opposing team's best players, and i never claimed they did. he's the connector on defense just like he is on offense, calling out rotations and switches and screens and generally running the show (like he does on offense), and also roaming around like a free safety. and he's the best i've seen play that role.

anyhow welcome to the hall of bad takes golden!

[golden]

is shit talk from kyle kuzma supposed to be some sort of proof that that draymond's biggest strength is his ability to complete DHO's with steph?

personally i'd say his biggest strengths are preternatural basketball IQ and competitiveness, which has allowed him to dominate defensively despite being an underwhelming athlete as well as offensively despite not really having any natural scoring ability to speak of.

what happens after those DHO's anyway? more often than not steph gets doubled and flips it to draymond to start a 4 on 3 that ends in a layup or lob and has been one of the most devastating offenses the league's ever seen. it's a direct result of both steph's gravity and draymond's ability to read the floor.

their team craters on both sides of the ball whenever he's out and it's been that way since steve kerr took the reigns. he's the second most essential player of a dynastic team and future hall of famer. you don't get there if all you can do is DHO and set screens.

agree with you that he's playing on the right team and in the right system. but you can say that for the majority of hall of fame players.

Lol. Draymond burner account on RR? He’s Ringo, man. If Thad Young ended up on the Warriors, he’d have 4 rings too.

And for all his DPOY-ness, Draymond wasn’t even the main defender for Lebron… that was Iggy.

[chris]

is shit talk from kyle kuzma supposed to be some sort of proof that that draymond's biggest strength is his ability to complete DHO's with steph?

personally i'd say his biggest strengths are preternatural basketball IQ and competitiveness, which has allowed him to dominate defensively despite being an underwhelming athlete as well as offensively despite not really having any natural scoring ability to speak of.

what happens after those DHO's anyway? more often than not steph gets doubled and flips it to draymond to start a 4 on 3 that ends in a layup or lob and has been one of the most devastating offenses the league's ever seen. it's a direct result of both steph's gravity and draymond's ability to read the floor.

their team craters on both sides of the ball whenever he's out and it's been that way since steve kerr took the reigns. he's the second most essential player of a dynastic team and future hall of famer. you don't get there if all you can do is DHO and set screens.

agree with you that he's playing on the right team and in the right system. but you can say that for the majority of hall of fame players.

[golden]

a solid entry from golden into the bad take hall of fame

[chris]

Draymond's best strengths are dribble hand-offs to Steph Curry and screening for Klay. Had to be drafted to the right team, for sure.

a solid entry from golden into the bad take hall of fame

[Hotshot]

Draymond's best strengths are dribble hand-offs to Steph Curry and screening for Klay. Had to be drafted to the right team, for sure.

That's why if a team has a good system & you find that player that can do 2 or 3 things well that enhance that system, you really found a jam.

This is part of the reason why the Raptors traded for Thad. Maybe if Thad sticks around & becomes more acclimated to his team we might get much more of him.

[golden]

Davis & Lillard ahead of him while Draymond is somewhere wedged between Beal & Middleton.

Dray had to be drafted to the right team, other teams may have not realized what his best strengths were & how to utilize him properly.

Hope the Raptors find this kind of a steal where they are picking on Thursday.

Draymond's best strengths are dribble hand-offs to Steph Curry and screening for Klay. Had to be drafted to the right team, for sure.

[Kagemusha]

Davis & Lillard ahead of him while Draymond is somewhere wedged between Beal & Middleton.

Dray had to be drafted to the right team, other teams may have not realized what his best strengths were & how to utilize him properly.

Hope the Raptors find this kind of a steal where they are picking on Thursday.

He was lucky he landed in Golden State.
I doubt he'd be as successful in other teams and systems.

[Hotshot]

Damn. In order too lol.

Davis & Lillard ahead of him while Draymond is somewhere wedged between Beal & Middleton.

Dray had to be drafted to the right team, other teams may have not realized what his best strengths were & how to utilize him properly.

Hope the Raptors find this kind of a steal where they are picking on Thursday.

[The Great One]

Damn. In order too lol.

[G__Deane]

The season over and I doubt their parade is half as fun as ours was with drunken Gasol!
Let's get the draft going so the debate can begin.