Raptors Offseason 2022

[TrueTorontoFan]

Harris is going to have a lot of suitors. I think he'd be a great fit (thought so a the deadline, too) but my guess is he ends up with a contending team somewhere.

it depends he is still young so maybe he just wants a guaranteed role. I think the role definition is going to be the biggest thing for him.

[TrueTorontoFan]

So lets say Birch + Flynn for Brooks from Memphis and do a sign and trade with Boucher for Jordan Clarkson. Two scorers and slashers.

Raptors than keep there core intact. Achiuwa is 6 years younger than Boucher and if Precious learns to foul shoot would be of similar value next year with incremental changes and 7 Million less expensive.

Core kept

FVV, Trent Jr, OG, Barnes and Siakam
xxxxx, Clarkson, Brooks, Thad Young and Precious- $127 Million salaries.
Than sign Tyus Jones, Delon Wright or another backup point such as Coby White and the Raptors are at $135 Million
With garbage time on the bench totaling $6 Million including the 2nd round pick, Sign Andre Drummond for 2.6 Million or Boogie (Head Case) to be the 6 fouls to be used against Embid and other Big men.

it si interesting in terms of who you are targeting but birch and flynn isn't enough for brooks. His value will be around a gtj level but I outlined his weaknesses before. Boucher they will try to keep or do a sign and trade. They won't let him just walk. We need to basically remove Trent from the starting lineup and turn Barnes into your starting pg of the future.


I odn't want Drummond or boogie... again you need guys who fit the system this is something we gotta always keep in mind.

[chris]

So, you want to only ever pay non-superstars the rookie max and nothing higher? That's a great way to run a team and never have very many good players on it, I'll give you that.

well that's not exactly what i said because there's that grey area i outlined in the middle of the post, but thank you for reducing it to the basest possible level to make the poster sound as stupid as possible again.

generally though, yeah, i'd lean towards not giving out those contracts in most instances. like rudy would have fallen into that grey area i think at the time he signed his current deal, and i would just prefer depth. for rudy gobert's salary you could have, say, mikal bridges, og anunoby, and pocket change.

obviously it all depends on the specific players in question but in general i think if you can get two really good players for the price of one all star level but not superstar level player, it's a better allocation of resources both from a talent standpoint and a flexibility standpoint (those deals are much easier to trade than gobert's if something you like better comes up).

[planetmars]

I think they will try to package svi up with someone such as malachi to either gain some room or something.

Svi should have no value in the league. He hasn't shown anything to warrant giving up a roster spot too. He's not worth enough either to be part of a package deal. I think we might just have to bite the bullet and waive him once he opts in.

[planetmars]

Team can field 15 guys and 2 two-way's.. and all remain under the tax.

1. Pascal
2. Fred
3. OG
4. Scottie
5. Gary
6. Precious
7. Khem
8. Chris* (UFA)
9. Thad* (UFA)
10. Banton
11. Flynn
12. MLE
13. #33 pick
14. Champagnie
15. Svi? or replacement

2 two-way guys.


Not many roster spots left.. Two of Brooks, Bonga and Yuta will be gone, if not all three guys IMO. No idea about Johnson.

But the 2-way guys will be 905'ers for most of the year.

I suspect #33 could be a 2-way guy actually. I hope Champagnie isn't. I like him a lot.

[LJ2]

Team can field 15 guys and 2 two-way's.. and all remain under the tax.

1. Pascal
2. Fred
3. OG
4. Scottie
5. Gary
6. Precious
7. Khem
8. Chris* (UFA)
9. Thad* (UFA)
10. Banton
11. Flynn
12. MLE
13. #33 pick
14. Champagnie
15. Svi? or replacement

2 two-way guys.


Not many roster spots left.. Two of Brooks, Bonga and Yuta will be gone, if not all three guys IMO. No idea about Johnson.

But the 2-way guys will be 905'ers for most of the year.

I suspect #33 could be a 2-way guy actually. I hope Champagnie isn't. I like him a lot.

I thought they had signed Yuta to a short term contract already? I think two years?

[planetmars]

I thought they had signed Yuta to a short term contract already? I think two years?

We have a team option for him this coming season. I believe it's a qualifying offer actually, since he's still on a rookie contract.

[Heatdreamer]

Boucher on a Sign and Trade for Brooks from Memphis

[saints91]

We can disagree on Gobert being overpaid or his fit (and we certainly do). But don't do the false equivalency built on superstars being underpaid with the max salary system, that's a silly way to look at it.

From a pure salary cap stand point, signing a lower level talent (on a scale of borderline all-star to superstar) to a max contract you are handcuffing your team. Like chris was saying, if that player is entering their prime or has foreseeable upside, you can gamble. It may pay off, it may not.

Gobert (that's the guy we are discussing after all) is a 30 year old centre (in June) and has 4 years left and 41.8M average salary over that time. I think we can agree, he's pretty much the player he is and is going to be. To match his salary, you have to trade one or two of OG, Trent, or Fred, plus other contracts. Luckily we have a ton of depth to pull off that trade. And we bring in another below average shooter, and send out one or two of our above average shooters. Not my preference!

[Primer]

Team can field 15 guys and 2 two-way's.. and all remain under the tax.

1. Pascal
2. Fred
3. OG
4. Scottie
5. Gary
6. Precious
7. Khem
8. Chris* (UFA)
9. Thad* (UFA)
10. Banton
11. Flynn
12. MLE
13. #33 pick
14. Champagnie
15. Svi? or replacement

2 two-way guys.


Not many roster spots left.. Two of Brooks, Bonga and Yuta will be gone, if not all three guys IMO. No idea about Johnson.

But the 2-way guys will be 905'ers for most of the year.

I suspect #33 could be a 2-way guy actually. I hope Champagnie isn't. I like him a lot.

I think we're a lot higher on Johnson than Bonga or Yuta. We drafted him in the 2nd round and he got derailed by injuries, but he seems like he could be a nice long term bench piece. He came on strong later in the G League season. Does a bit of everything and plays good defense. Assuming he stays healthy I think he'll be a bench guy next season.

I think we bring back Harris also, so that would be 2 bench guards that in theory will contribute. Maybe a camp battle and the loser becomes a 2-way.

[G__Deane]

We can cut Svi if he picks up the option and just eat the salary to open up a spot.

I'd try to move Flynn for a 2nd round pick, I bet someone in the latter half of the 2nd would want him instead of their pick. Or maybe swap him for another first round bust and they both get a second chance on a new team.

He was our first round pick just in 2020.
Are we saying he's a bust already?

[Primer]

He was our first round pick just in 2020.
Are we saying he's a bust already?

Yes. I've seen enough.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Svi should have no value in the league. He hasn't shown anything to warrant giving up a roster spot too. He's not worth enough either to be part of a package deal. I think we might just have to bite the bullet and waive him once he opts in.

it is what it is.

[Limited Upside]

For all the talk of trades, I’d personally be happy with an off-season addition of a Tyus Jones and Robin Lopez on exception deals. That would solve a couple of issues for next year without hamstringing the development of the core guys.

[TrueTorontoFan]

He was our first round pick just in 2020.
Are we saying he's a bust already?

I will be nice. Flynn has shown a FEW flashes here and there but nothing consistent. He may not be a bust but I do not think he fits this team and I don't think he is the type of player you want to spend too much time trying to fit around particularly on this team. I think there is a CHANCE he figures it out on another team but not with our system. He is decent in half court in terms of his reads on offence. He struggles to make fast read and react plays. He came in as a defensive guard with shooting upside. He was supposed to be one of the best pick and roll guys with college at the time. He is a bit undersized.

Could Nurse have played him more? Sure, but the flashes he showed in summer league didn't even translate into preseason. Preseason is your chance to show out. Preseason isn't really even truly the most representative of the season or playoffs because the defensive intensity is just not the same. He had what.... 10-16 games this year where he was solid and showed some real flash. Beyond that I don't think he has really ... "killed it". During the season he wasn't given the most amount of minutes but when he was given minutes he wasn't consistently producing. He should have been on the G-league the entire year basically gaining reps like Banton. Banton, has some short comings but is younger, bigger, faster, and reads the game in a way that the raptors want.

There is a minority of fans who still want to believe in Flynn but realistically on this team his days are numbered. He just doesn't fit. I think in another situation he may fit. You feel a little bad because yes he played behind Kyle and Fred, sure but this year he only played behind Fred. Keep in mind they basically benched Dragic after ... 2-4 games. Flynn just doesn't fit on the raptors. He isn't fast enough. He isn't skilled enough to produce in this system. Calling him bust is harsh, I personally won't but I just do not think he fits on this team and is at BEST going to end up as a 6th man based on what we have seen thus far. I would use him as salary filler in a trade to grab someone better than what we have and sell him as a prospect who just needs a change of scenery or if you are lucky use him to gain another mid to late second rounder in this draft.



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