Raptors Offseason 2022

[The Great One]

We had Kapono

He's not in that level.

[planetmars]

Nope, it's time for irrational optimism.

Jalen Harris is an Uber efficient scoring guard.

In 13 games with the Raptors he shot

50% FG on 5.5 attempts
47% 3pt on 2.8 attempts
78% FT on 0.7 attempts
63.2% TS

That was in 13 mpg

In his best game of the season he put up
31 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast, 2 stl
12/21 FG, 5/12 3PT, 4/4 FT

He's exactly what our bench was missing. Microwave scorer. The year off has only made him better.

Being realistic I think he definitely gets a regular contract not a 2 way. He was very good at the NBA level, 13 games is a big enough sample size to show he belongs.

He didn't have a great year in Europe though. Just looking at his stats:
https://www.proballers.com/basketbal...7/jalen-harris

13.8 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 1stl in 18 games. 38.5% from the field, 29.5% from 3. Played about 28 mpg.

I'd need to see something from him before we give him another contract. But bring him into camp and summer league and let's see what he's got.

[Bonus Jonas]

He's not in that level.

I’m not sure what you see in Duncan Robinson

Can he shoot? Yes, of course. At an absolutely elite level. Very good at relocating and catching etc etc. But he’s useless at nearly everything else and was one of the most targeted ISO defenders in the league this season.

Not a fan of specialists in general, especially come playoff time and trading GTJ for DRob is basically saying get rid of all the other stuff GTJ is decent to good at just to get better catch and shoot 3’s.

[Bonus Jonas]

And that’s just comparing them as players currently, ignoring the fact that DRob is 5 years older and is what he is at this point while GTJ is still improving.

[Primer]

He didn't have a great year in Europe though. Just looking at his stats:
https://www.proballers.com/basketbal...7/jalen-harris

13.8 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 1stl in 18 games. 38.5% from the field, 29.5% from 3. Played about 28 mpg.

I'd need to see something from him before we give him another contract. But bring him into camp and summer league and let's see what he's got.

It's Europe, who cares?

He played great in the NBA, hasn't had any injuries, just got older, stronger, and more skilled.

I'm sure it was very difficult starting your nba career, ending the season on a roll, then getting banned for some drug bullshit no one else has ever been banned for (that I can recall). Now he's gotta go play in a foreign league where he doesn't speak the language or know anybody, and Europe is a different style of play.

He's gonna come back super motivated and perform. I hope we sign him to a cheap ass 3 year deal and reap the benefits.

[The Great One]

I’m not sure what you see in Duncan Robinson

Can he shoot? Yes, of course. At an absolutely elite level. Very good at relocating and catching etc etc. But he’s useless at nearly everything else and was one of the most targeted ISO defenders in the league this season.

Not a fan of specialists in general, especially come playoff time and trading GTJ for DRob is basically saying get rid of all the other stuff GTJ is decent to good at just to get better catch and shoot 3’s.

And that is exactly what we need. Trent on the other hand has no elite skills. One, he doesn't pass. Two, his ball handling is below average. Three, he's a horrible finisher. Four, his shooting is up and down. He'll shoot 8/10 from 3 one game and 1/10 the next game. The only thing that he has on his side is age.

[Bonus Jonas]

And that is exactly what we need. Trent on the other hand has no elite skills. One, he doesn't pass. Two, his ball handling is below average. Three, he's a horrible finisher. Four, his shooting is up and down. He'll shoot 8/10 from 3 one game and 1/10 the next game. The only thing that he has on his side is age.

Disagree. Trent is a very good shooter and offers scoring on at least 2 levels (he needs to improve his interior scoring for sure), is better than Robinson defensively, ball handling is miles better than Rob etc etc.

Robinson over the last 3 years has had 85%+ of his shots be 3’s while 95%+ of them were assisted while offering absolutely nothing else. He hit a slightly better percentage over GTJ on tightly contested 3’s while shooting worse when open and a worse percentage overall from 3.

Gary meanwhile only shot half of his shots from behind the arc, and nearly 25% of his 3’s were unassisted, while also shooting less corner 3’s than Duncan (which would lead to a lower overall 3 point percentage).

[golden]

It's Europe, who cares?

He played great in the NBA, hasn't had any injuries, just got older, stronger, and more skilled.

I'm sure it was very difficult starting your nba career, ending the season on a roll, then getting banned for some drug bullshit no one else has ever been banned for (that I can recall). Now he's gotta go play in a foreign league where he doesn't speak the language or know anybody, and Europe is a different style of play.

He's gonna come back super motivated and perform. I hope we sign him to a cheap ass 3 year deal and reap the benefits.

Yep. It's a buy-low moment and we need to take full advantage of that. Sorry, Jalen.

Also... it's easier to score in the NBA, than in Europe.

[Bonus Jonas]

Might as well sign Matt Thomas again if we want a 3 point specialist that can do absolutely nothing else

[planetmars]

It's Europe, who cares?

He played great in the NBA, hasn't had any injuries, just got older, stronger, and more skilled.

I'm sure it was very difficult starting your nba career, ending the season on a roll, then getting banned for some drug bullshit no one else has ever been banned for (that I can recall). Now he's gotta go play in a foreign league where he doesn't speak the language or know anybody, and Europe is a different style of play.

He's gonna come back super motivated and perform. I hope we sign him to a cheap ass 3 year deal and reap the benefits.

39% from the field is pretty bad. He had a good start to his career but it may have gotten derailed.

I'm not sure if he got more skilled. Maybe he developed bad habits down in Italy and he won't be able to get back to who he was in Tampa. That's why it's a wait and see. I mean if he shows up to camp with a bad attitude, and he looks worse than he did before he got suspended, then I'd want no part of him.

He definitely showed promise, especially against Dallas in that one game. But let's see if he has some moxy because he obviously didn't show he belonged in the NBA from his stats down in Italy. 38.5% from the field.. that's gross.

[The Great One]

Might as well sign Matt Thomas again if we want a 3 point specialist that can do absolutely nothing else

Again, not in that level. Thomas can't shoot the ball like Korver, Redick, McDermott, Robinson can. Thomas wouldn't shoot the ball unless he's wide wide wide open.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Again, not in that level. Thomas can't shoot the ball like Korver, Redick, McDermott, Robinson can. Thomas wouldn't shoot the ball unless he's wide wide wide open.

GTJ, Khem Birch and Flynn, for Poeltl, Mcdermott

[TrueTorontoFan]

Disagree. Trent is a very good shooter and offers scoring on at least 2 levels (he needs to improve his interior scoring for sure), is better than Robinson defensively, ball handling is miles better than Rob etc etc.

Robinson over the last 3 years has had 85%+ of his shots be 3’s while 95%+ of them were assisted while offering absolutely nothing else. He hit a slightly better percentage over GTJ on tightly contested 3’s while shooting worse when open and a worse percentage overall from 3.

Gary meanwhile only shot half of his shots from behind the arc, and nearly 25% of his 3’s were unassisted, while also shooting less corner 3’s than Duncan (which would lead to a lower overall 3 point percentage).

realistically he scores at the 3 point line that's about it. his midrange is one of the better on the team but that doesn't mean its good overall lol

[TrueTorontoFan]

It's Europe, who cares?

He played great in the NBA, hasn't had any injuries, just got older, stronger, and more skilled.

I'm sure it was very difficult starting your nba career, ending the season on a roll, then getting banned for some drug bullshit no one else has ever been banned for (that I can recall). Now he's gotta go play in a foreign league where he doesn't speak the language or know anybody, and Europe is a different style of play.

He's gonna come back super motivated and perform. I hope we sign him to a cheap ass 3 year deal and reap the benefits.

again if I am the raptors I give him a shot with a summer league deal if he REALLY blows them out of the water great if he doesn't camp deal and take it from there. if he shows he is ready to put in the work the sure minimum for 2-3 years works fine.

[DanH]

1. Y'all act like Trent is some great defender. He's not that much better than Robinson defensively. I can see why people would think Trent is a superior defender though.

2. Robinson is a much better shooter. It's not close. I know he's struggling shooting the ball right now that's why he's not playing much. But it's one of those things. Remember when Danny Green couldn't hit a 3 in the Bucks series? from what I recall the Raptors ended up benching Green in the Bucks series. That's what's going on with Robinson right now.

Danny Green played in every Bucks game in that series, he saw his minutes drop to about 15 a game in games 5 and 6. Because he is a good defender he is playable in the playoffs even when the shot is not dropping.

Trent is absolutely a bad defender. He's definitely better than Robinson though, and degrees matter here.

The most important thing is I don't think I'd want either player locked in long term. At least with Trent we have the opportunity in the short term to use him in a trade, or if that fails then he walks and it clears up our books for the raises our other key players will want. With Robinson we've got heavy money invested in a guy who simply put will not play that much here especially in the playoffs.