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  • golden wrote: View Post
    Was wondering if this was a random RealGM post but it seems the source is our old friend Jake Fischer. To quote..
    "Toronto and Fred VanVleet appear headed towards a contract extension that could approach four years and over $110 million, sources told B/R."

    But they left out the other part of his post related to another Raptor...

    "Thaddeus Young is expected to find a two-year agreement worth at least $10 million to rejoin Toronto."

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    • Jake Fisher just reported Lillard to be offered 100 Million for a 2 year contract with the Blazers.

      This makes him virtually untradeable to any team, similar to John Wall and it pays more as well

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      • Primer wrote: View Post

        It's pretty clear Scottie and Banton are the PGs of the future on this team. So they are your cost effective PGs who can grow into the starter role.

        Fred is gonna play SG but obviously can also fill in at PG, and so can Pascal.

        We need more cost effective wings who can shoot the ball.
        Sure we need more 3 & D wings... every team does. But it became more clear as the season wore on that what we need more of is a combination of playmaking, shooting & shot-creation at the guard spot, i.e., a combo guard.

        Fred is the only combo guard on the team, which is why he's specifically so valuable to the Raptors and it's why Nurse feels compelled to overplay him when the offense stagnates. But combo guards of Fred's ilk (i.e. undersized SGs / limited playmaking PGs) are typically 6th men and available by trade and paid accordingly.

        Banton has a looong way to go to prove he can shoot even a mid-range jumpshot at the NBA level, let alone the 3-pt shot that is a must for NBA PGs. The other question is on defense, guarding quick & shifty PGs, like Maxey, Trae, Garland, etc... Can Banton and Barnes legitimately guard those guys for a full game?

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        • Jclaw wrote: View Post

          Was wondering if this was a random RealGM post but it seems the source is our old friend Jake Fischer. To quote..
          "Toronto and Fred VanVleet appear headed towards a contract extension that could approach four years and over $110 million, sources told B/R."

          But they left out the other part of his post related to another Raptor...

          "Thaddeus Young is expected to find a two-year agreement worth at least $10 million to rejoin Toronto."
          Yep, so $5M per year for Thad and that would be great.

          The article also says Gary Payton II can be had for the MLE.

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          • That's a fair deal for fred and still easily movable if we need to be flexible down the road. Hope they get that done
            To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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            • $27.5m/year for Fred is decent value. Not great, but frankly, under $30m at this point given his production is at least better than average.

              $5m/year for Thad is a steal given his ability and production, and if he agrees to that we did very well.

              Breaking news: Denver trades Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington for KCP and Ish Smith, which is a good deal for both sides. Monte Morris is the best player in the deal, but he's a starting-quality point guard on a team where Jamal Murray will be coming back and Denver isn't going to pay him what he wants next year, and Denver gets KCP and Ish, who are both plus defenders (and plus perimeter defenders at that), which is what Denver needs more. Plus KCP has finally become a serious shooting threat after years of being the shooting guard who can't shoot.

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              • saints91 wrote: View Post
                I think overpaying Boucher and Thad on 1 year contracts is the way to go. Give Koloko and Precious a years development, keep flexibility open next summer. We also would have two expiring contracts to move at the deadline if needed.
                One year deals, unfortunately, means they get no trade clauses. Two year deals with some nonguaranteed salary in the second year makes them viable trade pieces. Or even just regular two year deals, though that obviously makes them a little less desirable in a trade.
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                • saints91 wrote: View Post

                  Can we extend OG next summer?
                  Yes. Whether he'd be open to the max extension we could offer (which would be similar to what Fred is extending for except a little less) is another question entirely. Have to think he waits for UFA.
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                  • golden wrote: View Post
                    Now it's crucial to sign a cost-effective backup PG who can grow into the starter role, when our cap crunch Armageddon comes in a few years. Given the same opportunity as Fred, a guy like Tyus Jones would be perfect as a future replacement.
                    So long as they avoid giving MLE contracts out with term, they look like they'll be able to ride out the current core right up to Scottie's first raise, which is also when the new TV deal kicks in and might solve everything if they have guys locked up through that year. Big question mark there though.
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                    • Ish Smith would have been a nice little pickup on the trade market. A cheap backup point guard that's semi-reliable.

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                      • Jclaw wrote: View Post

                        We've may have to start using full names around here. Was that a new thought about Jamal Murray or continuing this section of the thread talking about Dejounte Murray?
                        Lol.
                        that's the only Murray I think we should trade for.

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                        • Some more Jake Fischer rumours:
                          https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...alik-monk-more

                          San Antonio, with its Murray conversations, appears willing to steer more towards a rebuild than offer a hefty salary. Perhaps the Raptors are the team that presents Deandre Ayton with the lucrative deal he covets, but Toronto could only afford such a contract by swinging a sign-and-trade for Ayton. Toronto continues to monitor the availability of several elite centers, sources said, including Utah Jazz All-Star Rudy Gobert.
                          Toronto and Fred VanVleet appear headed towards a contract extension that could approach four years and over $110 million, sources told B/R. Thaddeus Young is expected to find a two-year agreement worth at least $10 million to rejoin Toronto.
                          Mo Bamba appears to have interest from the Bulls and Raptors, among other teams in search of rim protection. After Paolo Banchero's selection at No. 1, there's also motivation on both sides for Bamba and the Magic to agree to terms on a new deal, sources said.

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                          • magoon wrote: View Post
                            $27.5m/year for Fred is decent value. Not great, but frankly, under $30m at this point given his production is at least better than average.

                            $5m/year for Thad is a steal given his ability and production, and if he agrees to that we did very well.

                            Breaking news: Denver trades Monte Morris and Will Barton to Washington for KCP and Ish Smith, which is a good deal for both sides. Monte Morris is the best player in the deal, but he's a starting-quality point guard on a team where Jamal Murray will be coming back and Denver isn't going to pay him what he wants next year, and Denver gets KCP and Ish, who are both plus defenders (and plus perimeter defenders at that), which is what Denver needs more. Plus KCP has finally become a serious shooting threat after years of being the shooting guard who can't shoot.
                            28.5M per year would be the average over the contract in all likelihood, which I think is quite good. What I'm hoping for is that the entire 4 year term is locked in. Could be valuable if there is indeed a cap jump down the line.

                            Thad being on a two year term, even at a pretty low price, makes using the MLE or re-signing Boucher with term a bit trickier (you can do one, doing both really depends on what else you do, what raises guys get, how happy you are to pay tax as early as next season...).
                            twitter.com/dhackett1565

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                            • golden wrote: View Post

                              Sure we need more 3 & D wings... every team does. But it became more clear as the season wore on that what we need more of is a combination of playmaking, shooting & shot-creation at the guard spot, i.e., a combo guard.

                              Fred is the only combo guard on the team, which is why he's specifically so valuable to the Raptors and it's why Nurse feels compelled to overplay him when the offense stagnates. But combo guards of Fred's ilk (i.e. undersized SGs / limited playmaking PGs) are typically 6th men and available by trade and paid accordingly.

                              Banton has a looong way to go to prove he can shoot even a mid-range jumpshot at the NBA level, let alone the 3-pt shot that is a must for NBA PGs. The other question is on defense, guarding quick & shifty PGs, like Maxey, Trae, Garland, etc... Can Banton and Barnes legitimately guard those guys for a full game?
                              You said we need a cheap PG who can eventually take over the starting role. We don't because the PG role is firmly for Scottie and Banton moving forward.

                              I'd love a combo guard off the bench, but would never expect them to become our starting PG. The job is taken.

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                              • DanH wrote: View Post

                                28.5M per year would be the average over the contract in all likelihood, which I think is quite good. What I'm hoping for is that the entire 4 year term is locked in. Could be valuable if there is indeed a cap jump down the line.

                                Thad being on a two year term, even at a pretty low price, makes using the MLE or re-signing Boucher with term a bit trickier (you can do one, doing both really depends on what else you do, what raises guys get, how happy you are to pay tax as early as next season...).
                                Boucher always felt like the odd man out this offseason to me. If Thad comes back he's very expendable. I don't see enough minutes available to justify his cost.

                                Maybe he doesn't have suitors though and signs with us on the cheap.

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