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in teerms of drafting they took a different direction and Bobby discussed this last time he was on the will lou podcast. -
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And what it is is a feature not a bug. This is what they want.Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
Precious is very capable of playing the nominal 5 in the Raptors system and holding up defensively against the biggest and best centers, which need double teams no matter who is primary.Comment
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Not really. If you tagged the Raps with traditional positions it would go:Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
PG: Siakam
SG: FVV
SF: Trent
PF: OG
C: Barnes
Except your centre defends point guards. See how silly this is? People gotta stop with this. The systems Raps run now require 5 guys who can score and handle the ball in the perimeter and defend 4-5 positions in space without predetermined positional matchups. Traditional bigs don’t work.Comment
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precisely the whole point is everyone can do everything some guys do somethings better than others but in general everyone does everything....slaw wrote: View Post
No one SHOULD be complaining if you could swap out trent and FVV for a guy similar to KD.... and you run a line up of:
Barnes, Siakam, OG, KD, Precious
the whole point of moving towards positionless is to highlight a few things. First of all, if you have everyone have an above average BBIQ on both ends of the floor it will be increasingly difficult to target any one individual on the defensive end.... making it .... less efficient to score because you have to waste more time finding the right matchups or you have no distinct matchups that can be exploited. The second thing is ... its hard to build a team that is positionless and for that reason you will have potentially more physical advantages when compared to other teams. If your point guard and down to your small forward all have physical advantages in height and length and athleticism on offence if you run a read and react system it will be potentially easier (when everyone is effectively healthy and developed) to exploit offensive advantages.
This is part of the point of read and react in theory although we could use some variation which I do feel will happen this year. Also the raptors appear to have calculated that they would prefer to have longer more athletic players crash the offensive glass becuase most likely it leads to a higher probability of winning in terms of the math. Koloko also helps because he is not only a bigger center but he is also fast (if you watched summer league) so he can both play drop coverage but a HIGH drop coverage almost all the way out to the perimeter in fact sometimes he was out there... and not get exploited ... and in a pinch he can switch as well. The whole point is not to just develop Barnes and pray but develop the entire team as best as we can with as many skill sets. It also creates some important redundancy and continuity so if player x is out with an injury you aren't left wondering what to do.. where it can get you in trouble is in the playoffs where 3 players are out.. but thats why we got even more big wings. Doesn't mean you can't have guys on the bench who have rolls that skew towards being specialists but the expectations are you will first and foremost defend and be switchable for 3-5 positions and that you will be smart enough to identify where the ball needs to go.. that is where they want to head ... or at least that is where it seems...
On a side note THIS is the reason why I am not as high on certain players long term because I want the raptors to be as committed to this as the suns were to their style during the nash years. Or Morey was in Houston to Morey Ball. Dare to be different not traditional and experiment.... otherwise you will be hoping and praying for luck and without the luck you may be left behind as the league evolves on its own. The raptors are essentially attempting to set a trend. And while there may be many doubters or people who don't see the vision... it appears that ... this is the vision they have verbally been committed to... also the one that their actions have shown they believe in.Comment
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Bobby is going about the business of covering his butt.TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Its what they settled for.DanH wrote: View Post
They were in on the Gobert sweepstakes till the prices got goofy.
We are fans and unbridled optimists....
However.....
Just remember that Embiid bulled and bullied us at will in the paint during round one to boot us out last year and a couple of regular season games where that noted all nba 5 Dwayne Dedmon punked us.
In the playoffs.. in a previous post... the guys lining up at the five outweigh Achiwua or Pascal or Scottie by 30 to 50 pounds.
Its almost impossible to move your opponent with that weight disadvantage no matter how you leverage your position..... and when you can't move that guy off the spot....the rebounds dry up and the second chance points flow.
There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Yet the last four MVP's have been 5's .. Jokic x 2 and The Alphabet x 2.slaw wrote: View Post
Giannas goes 245... Jokic 285.There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Embiid a perennial contender tooDemographic Shift wrote: View Post
Positionless works in the regular season, but not against the great teams in the playoffs.
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On the other hand neither Jokic or Embiid has gone far in the playoffs. Raptors were down 0-3 but made it a series anyway. Giannis did win a championship, but then also lost in the 2nd round last season.Kagemusha wrote: View Post
And then the championship team this year used an undersized big as their center.
The common key to winning a championship is that you have to have a star player. Raptors don't have that quite yet. Hopefully Scottie becomes that guy, but ultimately having a starting caliber 7ftr on the roster isn't going to make that much of a difference until they do.
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Good to see you back with vengeance, Demo, but what the heck are you on about? lol.Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
I don't understand your criteria #3. Marc Gasol and Jokic were second round picks who will both go into the HoF. Are you saying that it's a bad thing to draft first round talent in the second round?
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Of all the takes... I don't have a prepared defense for a couple unicorn draft picks that turn into HoFgolden wrote: View Post
Back with a vengence mostly cuz its the dog days of summer and I am conflicted on my NFL Fantasy draft .. Apollo and Mack North both draft ahead of me.
I wanted Tyler Linderbaum
There's no such thing as a 2nd round bust.
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Who were the top 4 teams remaining in the Playoffs?Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Warriors won the championship, no traditional C.
Celtics made the Finals, no traditional C (They have Robert Williams who is a fantastic rim protector, but he is 6'8)
Heat made the ECF, they have Bam who is a small ball C.
Mavs made the WCF and have Kleber who is a decent rim protector and floor spacer.
Bigs are nice (Maybe Koloko turns into something good), but the real game changers are wing players, unless you're Curry.
Superstar Centers like Embiid and Jokic are a problem, but you won't stop them with just any random 7 footer. It took a former DPOY in Gasol to shut down Embiid, and he has gotten better since then. Neither of them have gone far in the Playoffs either. Jokic hasn't had a good enough team around him and Embiid always ends up injured.Comment
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
considering the final four teams trended towards it I would argue that it works just fine... we were a young team.... so I dont know about this.
Another thing is positionless with long wing spans helps solve the geometry problem caused by the spacing of teams like golden state by giving you more margin for error since you have longer more athletic players who can close out faster.
I think what you and a few others are confusing is small ball with positionless. They are not the same even if they seem similar at first.Comment
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